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	<title>Comments on: Paul Millsap: To Sign Or Not To Sign?</title>
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		<title>By: Avelina Formhals</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avelina Formhals</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I in addition to my buddies were actually following the excellent items on your web blog and then at once came up with an awful feeling I never expressed respect to the blog owner for those tips. Most of the women are already for this reason thrilled to study them and have in effect absolutely been using these things. Appreciate your simply being well thoughtful and for utilizing some incredibly good resources millions of individuals are really eager to be aware of. My personal honest regret for not expressing gratitude to you earlier.]]></description>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad someone mentioned blair. what a great high risk high reward player but the fact that so many teams not only the thunder passed on him should tell you all you need to know. I think san antonio did well to pick him up so late in the draft but i feel any earlier would have be imprudent. The facts are that san antonio was the only medical staff that would sign off on drafting this kid. I hope for his sake everyone is wrong about his knees and he proves everyone wrong because i really like the kid. He much like tyson chandler has all star ability when healthy but seems too much of a risk to take. I really feel like between blairs knee and mullens upside this pick was a toss up. If i  had to make that decision it would have been a tough one. I totally understand your frustration with drafting another center with potential as we all know that hasn&#039;t worked out well. But i also see the injured tyson chandler not helping out the hornets much this year either. Maybe in the long run we will wish we has signed a scorer or shooter with the second pick there were definatly a few availabe marcus thorton and wayne ellington were some other possible picks. Drafting players is tough because you never know how a young kid is going to develop but the thunder has the advantage of meeting these kids and getting to know them and also talking with coaches and relatives to see what kind of fit they are with our team... Just because a player doesn&#039;t fit our team personalities or oklahoma culture doesn&#039;t mean they won&#039;t be succussful someplace else. If we all had the chance to meet these young men in person we might not be as surprised as we are that they passed on them. I think blair landed in an ideal fit for him and the fact he fell so far is gonna give him that edge to play with a chip on his shoulder to prove everybody wrong. I&#039;m rooting for him...but lets not forget this was a tough decision based on a lot of information.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad someone mentioned blair. what a great high risk high reward player but the fact that so many teams not only the thunder passed on him should tell you all you need to know. I think san antonio did well to pick him up so late in the draft but i feel any earlier would have be imprudent. The facts are that san antonio was the only medical staff that would sign off on drafting this kid. I hope for his sake everyone is wrong about his knees and he proves everyone wrong because i really like the kid. He much like tyson chandler has all star ability when healthy but seems too much of a risk to take. I really feel like between blairs knee and mullens upside this pick was a toss up. If i  had to make that decision it would have been a tough one. I totally understand your frustration with drafting another center with potential as we all know that hasn&#8217;t worked out well. But i also see the injured tyson chandler not helping out the hornets much this year either. Maybe in the long run we will wish we has signed a scorer or shooter with the second pick there were definatly a few availabe marcus thorton and wayne ellington were some other possible picks. Drafting players is tough because you never know how a young kid is going to develop but the thunder has the advantage of meeting these kids and getting to know them and also talking with coaches and relatives to see what kind of fit they are with our team&#8230; Just because a player doesn&#8217;t fit our team personalities or oklahoma culture doesn&#8217;t mean they won&#8217;t be succussful someplace else. If we all had the chance to meet these young men in person we might not be as surprised as we are that they passed on them. I think blair landed in an ideal fit for him and the fact he fell so far is gonna give him that edge to play with a chip on his shoulder to prove everybody wrong. I&#8217;m rooting for him&#8230;but lets not forget this was a tough decision based on a lot of information.</p>
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		<title>By: FormerSonicsFan</title>
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		<dc:creator>FormerSonicsFan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 04:07:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The proper thing Thunder should have done was to draft Dejuan Blair, who will contribute exactly what Millsap provides for 25 minutes at 1/10 the price. Blair is a true energy guy. 
Then they should sign Gortat instead of Millsap.

Blair is a perfect fit, he does not need to play 40 minutes. He only needs to play 20, and he will give you 7-8 boards in 20 minutes. So what if he gets injured in 3 years, you only have to pay like 1 million/year for him.

When you shell out that 10 million/year for Millsap, how much are you playing for each rebound?

Gortat + Blair is at most 7-8 million/year and both players are proven.  This combination will have one of the highest rebound rates in the league.

Instead, we might end up with 10-12 million/year for Millsap + Mullen. Not to mention a bigger total contract for Millsap  since no way he settles for less than 5 years. We will pay Mullen money to develop while Blair is grabbing over 10 boards each time he plays over 30 minutes in San Antonio.

Plus, if Blair does not work out, there is the 2010 MEGA free agent class. If we are stuck paying Millsap, what happens to our flexibility in 2010? 

You have to be pretty certain that Millsap is capable of playing PF on a champion caliber team if you want to commit to him that long.

Blair + Gortat was really the best way to go. 

The best thing to do now is to sign Gortat, and then wait until 2010 to get another PF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proper thing Thunder should have done was to draft Dejuan Blair, who will contribute exactly what Millsap provides for 25 minutes at 1/10 the price. Blair is a true energy guy.<br />
Then they should sign Gortat instead of Millsap.</p>
<p>Blair is a perfect fit, he does not need to play 40 minutes. He only needs to play 20, and he will give you 7-8 boards in 20 minutes. So what if he gets injured in 3 years, you only have to pay like 1 million/year for him.</p>
<p>When you shell out that 10 million/year for Millsap, how much are you playing for each rebound?</p>
<p>Gortat + Blair is at most 7-8 million/year and both players are proven.  This combination will have one of the highest rebound rates in the league.</p>
<p>Instead, we might end up with 10-12 million/year for Millsap + Mullen. Not to mention a bigger total contract for Millsap  since no way he settles for less than 5 years. We will pay Mullen money to develop while Blair is grabbing over 10 boards each time he plays over 30 minutes in San Antonio.</p>
<p>Plus, if Blair does not work out, there is the 2010 MEGA free agent class. If we are stuck paying Millsap, what happens to our flexibility in 2010? </p>
<p>You have to be pretty certain that Millsap is capable of playing PF on a champion caliber team if you want to commit to him that long.</p>
<p>Blair + Gortat was really the best way to go. </p>
<p>The best thing to do now is to sign Gortat, and then wait until 2010 to get another PF.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 01:13:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dale, there is an article in &lt;i&gt;The Oklahoman&lt;/i&gt; about &lt;a href=&quot;http://newsok.com/thunder-enters-preliminary-talks-with-utahs-paul-millsap/article/3382161?custom_click=lead_story_title&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the Thunder negotiating with Millsap&lt;/a&gt;.  In this article, it states, &quot;But among the options in Oklahoma City are moving Kevin Durant back to shooting guard and sliding Jeff Green to small forward to create a starting spot for Millsap.&quot;  I love the idea.  Green is not a power forward like Westbrook is not a point guard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale, there is an article in <i>The Oklahoman</i> about <a href="http://newsok.com/thunder-enters-preliminary-talks-with-utahs-paul-millsap/article/3382161?custom_click=lead_story_title" rel="nofollow">the Thunder negotiating with Millsap</a>.  In this article, it states, &#8220;But among the options in Oklahoma City are moving Kevin Durant back to shooting guard and sliding Jeff Green to small forward to create a starting spot for Millsap.&#8221;  I love the idea.  Green is not a power forward like Westbrook is not a point guard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremiah J.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremiah J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a Jazz fan I hope you&#039;re right about Millsap not fitting in with OKC&#039;s team.  But you&#039;ve got to be smoking something strong if you think he should come off the bench behind *either* Green or Kristic.  Millsap was a consistent double-double with Boozer out.  On the Thunder he&#039;d be a 16 and 10 player, easy.  Leaving Millsap on the bench was a tough call in *Utah*, where they have an all-star caliber PF.  It would be a no-brainer to start him in OKC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a Jazz fan I hope you&#8217;re right about Millsap not fitting in with OKC&#8217;s team.  But you&#8217;ve got to be smoking something strong if you think he should come off the bench behind *either* Green or Kristic.  Millsap was a consistent double-double with Boozer out.  On the Thunder he&#8217;d be a 16 and 10 player, easy.  Leaving Millsap on the bench was a tough call in *Utah*, where they have an all-star caliber PF.  It would be a no-brainer to start him in OKC.</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 16:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gortat is the perfect fit for the thunder but i think we will end up being outbid by houston or new york...not so much the money but just the opportunity to start and the bigger markets... Guys i really like aren&#039;t free agents we would have to trade to get...and other than draft picks i&#039;m not sure if we would have what it takes to get them or if we would have to give up too much.... I&#039;m really talking myself into chris anderson as a better pick as well.. just not sure about his character. Guys i would target for a trade would be tyrus thomas and joakim naoh from chicago or samuel dalembert from the 76ers they would be great fits for oklahoma... What do you guys think about these guys with the thunder and what would it take to get them... I was thinking giving some draft picks from next year...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gortat is the perfect fit for the thunder but i think we will end up being outbid by houston or new york&#8230;not so much the money but just the opportunity to start and the bigger markets&#8230; Guys i really like aren&#8217;t free agents we would have to trade to get&#8230;and other than draft picks i&#8217;m not sure if we would have what it takes to get them or if we would have to give up too much&#8230;. I&#8217;m really talking myself into chris anderson as a better pick as well.. just not sure about his character. Guys i would target for a trade would be tyrus thomas and joakim naoh from chicago or samuel dalembert from the 76ers they would be great fits for oklahoma&#8230; What do you guys think about these guys with the thunder and what would it take to get them&#8230; I was thinking giving some draft picks from next year&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think DM is right on the money. We don&#039;t need millsap we have jeff green. believe it or not jeff green is better than millsap and as he is working out this summer lifting weights and adds another 20 to 25 pounds of muscle the next two years he will be a great power forward. Also Serge Ibaka is gonna be awesome in the next three years. The only free agents i see as helping our team without overspending would be gortat or chris anderson. we really could use a shot blocking pw to come off the bench or center. I&#039;m not really sure the birdman is the right fit his energy and shot blocking are what we need but his personality and past problems make him not the ideal fit...he is perfect in denver i hope for his sake he stays there. As far as gortat i think he would be a perfect fit but we don&#039;t want to overpay him at 25 and without a lot of experience.. i think houston and some over teams are gonna make him too expensive... we need to be patient...next years draft is good for centers and power forwards...so just be patient and wait....let these players develop...if green develops as much between last year and this...people will quit talkin about he is a small forward playing power forward and saying he is an allstar much like david west. And please quit all the talk of westbrook isn&#039;t a point guard he will cut down on turnovers this year and because he has a shooter in harden his assits will go up. Great draft but be patient and don&#039;t overspend on free agents... help will come with next years draft...sign some depth with the free agents maybe another shooter or backup pg but just sign for a year or two... nothing big let these young guys play and get better. and keep up the good job dm... you seem right on the money.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think DM is right on the money. We don&#8217;t need millsap we have jeff green. believe it or not jeff green is better than millsap and as he is working out this summer lifting weights and adds another 20 to 25 pounds of muscle the next two years he will be a great power forward. Also Serge Ibaka is gonna be awesome in the next three years. The only free agents i see as helping our team without overspending would be gortat or chris anderson. we really could use a shot blocking pw to come off the bench or center. I&#8217;m not really sure the birdman is the right fit his energy and shot blocking are what we need but his personality and past problems make him not the ideal fit&#8230;he is perfect in denver i hope for his sake he stays there. As far as gortat i think he would be a perfect fit but we don&#8217;t want to overpay him at 25 and without a lot of experience.. i think houston and some over teams are gonna make him too expensive&#8230; we need to be patient&#8230;next years draft is good for centers and power forwards&#8230;so just be patient and wait&#8230;.let these players develop&#8230;if green develops as much between last year and this&#8230;people will quit talkin about he is a small forward playing power forward and saying he is an allstar much like david west. And please quit all the talk of westbrook isn&#8217;t a point guard he will cut down on turnovers this year and because he has a shooter in harden his assits will go up. Great draft but be patient and don&#8217;t overspend on free agents&#8230; help will come with next years draft&#8230;sign some depth with the free agents maybe another shooter or backup pg but just sign for a year or two&#8230; nothing big let these young guys play and get better. and keep up the good job dm&#8230; you seem right on the money.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 01:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The NBA had 15 players per team maximum, and I believe we must use most of them (some players might get injured).  And there is no getting around this:  if you want a championship-caliber team, you have to shell out money.  The LA Lakers, Cleveland Cavaliers, and the Orlando Magic are not a bunch of penny-pinchers (the top 3 salaries from each team; they each make $13+ million/year).  On the flip side, the Memphis Grizzlies are a bunch of misers, and I don&#039;t remember seeing Memphis in a playoff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NBA had 15 players per team maximum, and I believe we must use most of them (some players might get injured).  And there is no getting around this:  if you want a championship-caliber team, you have to shell out money.  The LA Lakers, Cleveland Cavaliers, and the Orlando Magic are not a bunch of penny-pinchers (the top 3 salaries from each team; they each make $13+ million/year).  On the flip side, the Memphis Grizzlies are a bunch of misers, and I don&#8217;t remember seeing Memphis in a playoff.</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 00:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to add Millsap and send Green to the bench as a sixth man.  Green is no kind of PF in the NBA.  Undersized guys like Millsap can get away with guarding bigs because they have good standing reach.  Jeff Green&#039;s reach is puny and he has a lot of trouble defending his position (remember David West&#039;s repeated scorchings?).  Millsap would shore up the position and lock it down.  Then all that&#039;s left is finding a capable center, and with two first rounders next year I don&#039;t see the problem there.

Marcin Gortat would be a guy to bring in.  Orlando is unlikely to match any offer to Gortat considering their salary situation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to add Millsap and send Green to the bench as a sixth man.  Green is no kind of PF in the NBA.  Undersized guys like Millsap can get away with guarding bigs because they have good standing reach.  Jeff Green&#8217;s reach is puny and he has a lot of trouble defending his position (remember David West&#8217;s repeated scorchings?).  Millsap would shore up the position and lock it down.  Then all that&#8217;s left is finding a capable center, and with two first rounders next year I don&#8217;t see the problem there.</p>
<p>Marcin Gortat would be a guy to bring in.  Orlando is unlikely to match any offer to Gortat considering their salary situation.</p>
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		<title>By: MartzMimic</title>
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		<dc:creator>MartzMimic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main reasons not to sign Millsap are that we already have Uncle Jeff and DJ White at power forward, Millsap will want more money than we would pay, and next year&#039;s draft is likely full of power forwards.

The smart move is to make Marcin Gortat an offer along the lines of $24 million over 4 years.  The contracts of our current first- and second-string centers, Nenad Krstic and Nick Collison, expire in two years, and apparently, we were shopping Collison to Memphis to try to move up to the second pick in the draft.  Two years is also about the time most people think it will take for Byron Mullen to improve to the point that he may be able to join the rotation.  And, we could frontload the highest years of Gortat&#039;s offer to give us more room when Durant and Green come up for extensions.

(&lt;em&gt;MM, I think it all depends on how they plan on using Jeff Green. If they think he&#039;s a &quot;power forward&quot; or at least can hold his own defending the league&#039;s elite power forwards, then they don&#039;t sign Millsap. But if they view Green as the potential sixth man down the line, I think they can bring in Millsap now and bring him off the bench for a season or two while still giving him 28-30 minutes before moving Green to a sixth man role in favor of Millsap at power forward. Having said that, I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the direction the Thunder will go in, although Presti has his sights set on two and three years from now, not next year. As far as Gortat, I think you&#039;re on the money. That&#039;s a reasonable deal for a 25-year-old up-and-coming center. And if the Thunder offers him more than the mid-level exception, which that is, the Magic can&#039;t match. You might not even have to frontload it. There are all kinds of scenarios that could play out over the next several weeks. -DM-&lt;/em&gt;) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main reasons not to sign Millsap are that we already have Uncle Jeff and DJ White at power forward, Millsap will want more money than we would pay, and next year&#8217;s draft is likely full of power forwards.</p>
<p>The smart move is to make Marcin Gortat an offer along the lines of $24 million over 4 years.  The contracts of our current first- and second-string centers, Nenad Krstic and Nick Collison, expire in two years, and apparently, we were shopping Collison to Memphis to try to move up to the second pick in the draft.  Two years is also about the time most people think it will take for Byron Mullen to improve to the point that he may be able to join the rotation.  And, we could frontload the highest years of Gortat&#8217;s offer to give us more room when Durant and Green come up for extensions.</p>
<p>(<em>MM, I think it all depends on how they plan on using Jeff Green. If they think he&#8217;s a &#8220;power forward&#8221; or at least can hold his own defending the league&#8217;s elite power forwards, then they don&#8217;t sign Millsap. But if they view Green as the potential sixth man down the line, I think they can bring in Millsap now and bring him off the bench for a season or two while still giving him 28-30 minutes before moving Green to a sixth man role in favor of Millsap at power forward. Having said that, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the direction the Thunder will go in, although Presti has his sights set on two and three years from now, not next year. As far as Gortat, I think you&#8217;re on the money. That&#8217;s a reasonable deal for a 25-year-old up-and-coming center. And if the Thunder offers him more than the mid-level exception, which that is, the Magic can&#8217;t match. You might not even have to frontload it. There are all kinds of scenarios that could play out over the next several weeks. -DM-</em>) </p>
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