Comments on: Meanwhile, On the East Edge of Heritage Hills

By: Exhale: Inconsistencies with the Truth | OKC Central

Exhale: Inconsistencies with the Truth | OKC Central — Fri, 17 Feb 2012 02:15:28 +0000

[...] designs and pondered the name on the application, “Exhale.” Read the previous post here. I reached Ledbetter, asked if he could get me in touch with the operators. He declined, but agreed [...]

By: slackmeyer

slackmeyer — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 22:07:32 +0000

Guys, I’m going to close this comment thread. This post was not about whether concerns about live hip-hop venues amount to racism – it’s about plans for this property.

By: MikeN

MikeN — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:48:15 +0000

Marcus there has been no violence at Lexus in years due to it BEING CLOSED or are you IGNORANT of that FACT??? Obviously you are not a knowledgeable resident of the area or you would have knowledge of this. As to the acts in Bricktown when you are dressed as a hip hop gansta DO NOT COMPLAIN when you are treated like one.

I agree that the lack of income is a direct link to crime. Poor ghetto areas are crime infested that is a FACT regardless of color of the residents. Also there is a direct coorelation between hip/hop gangsta rap and crime. Recall Biggy Smalls and Tu Pac???

I get so tired of any comments that reflect truthfully on the eastside as RACIST. Calling that out is the hobgobblin of stupidity/little minds.

MPA are you referring to MBA? If you are then your stupidity and lack of proper English skills are SELF evident. As a comparison I have a Bachelors Degree in both Chemical and Electrical Enginerring so do you want to compare degrees programs???

Rampant crime on the eastside on OKC is readily factual. Just cart your butt to the police department and check the reports. Drive by shotings are not the scourge of upper class neighborhoods.

By: Robwhite

Robwhite — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 16:26:07 +0000

As a property owner in HH, I welcome all positive economic development. Bring on any kind if music, eating, or entertainment establishment. Developers should be aware that there is a daycare, Church, and hospital within a few feet of the proposed Exhale. Also don’t do this without parking!!

By: Marcus

Marcus — Wed, 25 Jan 2012 15:09:50 +0000

I don’t have to check my facts I live on the Eastside MikeN! It is no longer called Lexus and it has been a problem due to the younger blacks, but there are many adult blacks that are discriminated in Bricktown. I suppose the recent news coverage on that topic must’ve been erroneous?

Point blank I am not (nor have I ever been) ignorant to the racism that is spewed on websites by faceless individuals. Hip-Hop is not the cause of the violence that you and Steve seem so ready to talk about as a viable reason to exclude Blacks in general from anywhere outside of 36th and Kelly. I am not aware of any studies that link Hip hop to violence. There is an undeniable (and iron clad) link between income and crime, and I am willing to state that has more to do with it than the music.

The younger crowd (under 25) was not who I was referring to in my initial post. Additionally I was referring to the subtle racist remarks that were made prior to my post. There is not violence at Lexus daily, not even weekly. I and my friends have been there several times in the past weeks and did not witness any violence. But I acknowledge that there have been incidents.

I really hate that you jump to the conclusion that I am uneducated and ignorant because I voiced an opinion that is different than how you may believe. You never once asked for my credentials… I am highly educated (I am currently 3 hours from my MPA from OU), and I was speaking for the educated blacks that are here in OKC, and yes WE DO EXIST! That is like me assuming that you and Steve have never been to that side of town for anything other than Leo’s. That is wrong MikeN… Dead wrong!

You know better… Now do better!

By: MikeN

MikeN — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:49:15 +0000

Steve thanks for pointing out the obvious to the uneducated about the UNDENIEABLE connection with violence that occurred almost nightly at the Lexus. It is NOT racism but HARD COLD FACT!!! For the ignorant the police reports are readily avaiable for public inspection.

Once the authorities got the Lexus closed for good that area saw its criminal element decrease sustantially, another UNDENIABLE FACT. Marcus and Golgar please check your facts BEFORE posting. Thank You.

By: slackmeyer

slackmeyer — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 16:04:13 +0000

Grolgar, right or wrong, hip-hop is associated by some people as being a form of entertainment that glorifies the gang lifestyle and that’s what drives some folks’ fears (that and the publicity surrounding crime at some hip-hop clubs like the one at NE 36 and Kelley). Is racism a factor here? Was it a factor on The Edge? I’ll leave that whole discussion to others …

By: Dennis Wells

Dennis Wells — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 10:17:21 +0000

Cimarron deux? How do you explain the rows of stools hugging the performance area… A meat bar?

They should get some pointers from Doc Severinsen. (His version was a huge success.)

By: Grolgar

Grolgar — Tue, 24 Jan 2012 07:20:25 +0000

I agree with Marcus. The fear of a potential “hip hop” club reveals a subtle racism that goes completely unquestioned. Heaven forbid minorities come near OKC’s newly gentrified areas. This exact same racism was on display over at OKCTalk.com by the same people.

By: Nelda

Nelda — Mon, 23 Jan 2012 22:57:04 +0000

I understand it is going to ba a “Toby Kieth” type venue with moore of a steak house menu. Actually bringing in a nice restraunt (with parking!!)and live entertainment should be a nice draw to the area and actually improve property values. This would help to encourage development along 13th and Broadway and help to eliminate bare lots.