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	<title>Comments on: Project 180: What We&#8217;ll be Missing</title>
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	<description>The Oklahoman&#039;s Steve Lackmeyer covers downtown OKC brick by brick.</description>
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		<title>By: Larry OKC</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/12/22/project-180-what-well-be-missing/comment-page-1/#comment-39879</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2011 16:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[or a tug boat (but get charged for the aircraft carrier)....LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or a tug boat (but get charged for the aircraft carrier)&#8230;.LOL</p>
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		<title>By: mIKE n</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/12/22/project-180-what-well-be-missing/comment-page-1/#comment-39815</link>
		<dc:creator>mIKE n</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Dec 2011 05:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They promise an aircraft carrier and all we get is a heavy cruiser if we are lucky.  It never changes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They promise an aircraft carrier and all we get is a heavy cruiser if we are lucky.  It never changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry OKC</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/12/22/project-180-what-well-be-missing/comment-page-1/#comment-39804</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete: that is very interesting info. Can&#039;t say I am surprised by it, as it fits the usual pattern that all too many refuse to open their eyes and see. The saying goes something like, &quot;There are none so blind than those who will not see&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete: that is very interesting info. Can&#8217;t say I am surprised by it, as it fits the usual pattern that all too many refuse to open their eyes and see. The saying goes something like, &#8220;There are none so blind than those who will not see&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike N</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/12/22/project-180-what-well-be-missing/comment-page-1/#comment-39801</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 18:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am surprised that folks are shocked by this well known behavior.  It is not the first time anybody with any historical memory has seen this before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that folks are shocked by this well known behavior.  It is not the first time anybody with any historical memory has seen this before.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley Wynn</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/12/22/project-180-what-well-be-missing/comment-page-1/#comment-39796</link>
		<dc:creator>Bradley Wynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 16:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awesome - thanks David - now to look up that book...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome &#8211; thanks David &#8211; now to look up that book&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: slackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/12/22/project-180-what-well-be-missing/comment-page-1/#comment-39783</link>
		<dc:creator>slackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am very familiar with The Power Broker It is an excellent book (a long one!) and was the inspiration for how Jack Money and I approached writing OKC Second Time Around]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very familiar with The Power Broker It is an excellent book (a long one!) and was the inspiration for how Jack Money and I approached writing OKC Second Time Around</p>
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		<title>By: david ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>david ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Dec 2011 00:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[a hundred plus years ago, urban planning was done to accommodate pedestrians.  this was simply because that was THE primary method of transportation.  the french quarter is a prime example.  density was considered the desirable goal, because when you HAVE to walk to where you are going, the less you have to walk, the better.  automobiles simply did not exist. 

the staff at the city does not have this mentality, because it is absolutely foreign to them.  that doesn&#039;t make them evil, anymore than i could be expected to carry on a conversation in japanese.  it&#039;s just not how they have lived their lives, and is a very different and foreign culture to them.  while i agree that we should make our voices heard, we will get much further if we can engage them in a positive manner rather than if they feel as though they are being attacked.

&quot;the power broker&quot;, by robert caro, is a fastinating read.  bob moses loved automobiles (a new thing in his day), and wanted a modern city to be accessible to cars.  the problem new york (and virtually every other city) found was that when you build a facility that is attractive to automobiles, YOU WILL GET THEM.  unfortunately, no matter how many new highways moses would build, they would never alleviate the problem of car traffic.  that is because when you build it, they will use it.

on the other hand, build a city that is truly pedestrian friendly, and you will have pedestrians.  cities exist to accumulate people.  wherever you have crowds, you will have traffic problems.  this is a good problem to have!  it&#039;s just like taxes.  we hate to pay them, but when you owe taxes it&#039;s because you are making money.

i hope blair&#039;s proposal does not die.  it looks like a really good idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a hundred plus years ago, urban planning was done to accommodate pedestrians.  this was simply because that was THE primary method of transportation.  the french quarter is a prime example.  density was considered the desirable goal, because when you HAVE to walk to where you are going, the less you have to walk, the better.  automobiles simply did not exist. </p>
<p>the staff at the city does not have this mentality, because it is absolutely foreign to them.  that doesn&#8217;t make them evil, anymore than i could be expected to carry on a conversation in japanese.  it&#8217;s just not how they have lived their lives, and is a very different and foreign culture to them.  while i agree that we should make our voices heard, we will get much further if we can engage them in a positive manner rather than if they feel as though they are being attacked.</p>
<p>&#8220;the power broker&#8221;, by robert caro, is a fastinating read.  bob moses loved automobiles (a new thing in his day), and wanted a modern city to be accessible to cars.  the problem new york (and virtually every other city) found was that when you build a facility that is attractive to automobiles, YOU WILL GET THEM.  unfortunately, no matter how many new highways moses would build, they would never alleviate the problem of car traffic.  that is because when you build it, they will use it.</p>
<p>on the other hand, build a city that is truly pedestrian friendly, and you will have pedestrians.  cities exist to accumulate people.  wherever you have crowds, you will have traffic problems.  this is a good problem to have!  it&#8217;s just like taxes.  we hate to pay them, but when you owe taxes it&#8217;s because you are making money.</p>
<p>i hope blair&#8217;s proposal does not die.  it looks like a really good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Brzycki</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/12/22/project-180-what-well-be-missing/comment-page-1/#comment-39781</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Brzycki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did some quick measurements and calculations and Project 180 has already cut 40% of the street mileage from the plans originally approved by City Council; and that&#039;s assuming they fully implement Package #6 which won&#039;t be bid until next summer.

Also, they keep using revenue shortfalls as an excuse yet in their own presentation to the council last week, they state the original budget was $147 million and they are now showing it at $154 million.

Simply put, it looks they are planning to be at least 50% over budget and will be delivering just over half was promised when these tax dollars were agreed to be diverted via the Devon TIF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some quick measurements and calculations and Project 180 has already cut 40% of the street mileage from the plans originally approved by City Council; and that&#8217;s assuming they fully implement Package #6 which won&#8217;t be bid until next summer.</p>
<p>Also, they keep using revenue shortfalls as an excuse yet in their own presentation to the council last week, they state the original budget was $147 million and they are now showing it at $154 million.</p>
<p>Simply put, it looks they are planning to be at least 50% over budget and will be delivering just over half was promised when these tax dollars were agreed to be diverted via the Devon TIF.</p>
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		<title>By: Interesting article by Lackmeyer on future of downtown projects &#124; Moving Our Empty Nest Downtown</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/12/22/project-180-what-well-be-missing/comment-page-1/#comment-39778</link>
		<dc:creator>Interesting article by Lackmeyer on future of downtown projects &#124; Moving Our Empty Nest Downtown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2011 19:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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