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	<description>The Oklahoman&#039;s Steve Lackmeyer covers downtown OKC brick by brick.</description>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39259</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 21:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Carl, this is a really huge loss.  Anytime you can make a 4.2 million dollar investment to get a 38 million dollar return?  Who doesn&#039;t jump on that?  This sounds like someone in the city doesn&#039;t like working with Bert or John Gilbert.  Seems like they should have taken some people out on the town get people excited about the quiet zone.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Carl, this is a really huge loss.  Anytime you can make a 4.2 million dollar investment to get a 38 million dollar return?  Who doesn&#8217;t jump on that?  This sounds like someone in the city doesn&#8217;t like working with Bert or John Gilbert.  Seems like they should have taken some people out on the town get people excited about the quiet zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39258</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, wasn&#039;t there a study that just came out saying that downtown has a shortage of apartments.  The fact of the matter is it makes absolutely no sense to blatently ignore someone who wants to invest close to 40 million dollars in downtown, and justify it by the opinions of a few, not even the city council or the public, and put this money towards something no one will see for another 5-7 years.  I am very much a believer in downtown OKC, but this chain of events is very upsetting and discouraging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, wasn&#8217;t there a study that just came out saying that downtown has a shortage of apartments.  The fact of the matter is it makes absolutely no sense to blatently ignore someone who wants to invest close to 40 million dollars in downtown, and justify it by the opinions of a few, not even the city council or the public, and put this money towards something no one will see for another 5-7 years.  I am very much a believer in downtown OKC, but this chain of events is very upsetting and discouraging.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39257</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My wife and I just recently bought a condo in deep deuce.  While we were in the process of looking for a place we ruled out the ones near the train tracks almost instantly.  I am very much in favor of core to shore and was very much in favor of maps 3.  That doesn&#039;t mean that we should turn our backs on the rest of the downtown area.  

Our downtown has made quite the comeback in the last decade but we are not done.  I fully believe that to make another big step forward that the train should be a quiet zone through downtown.  You can just look at the value of condos near the tracks and away from the tracks if you need evidence.  

I live in deep deuce and I walk to automobile alley for dinner and drinks just as often as I walk to bricktown.  This loss of the residential project is a HUGE HUGE loss that should sting for anyone who has bought in to downtown OKC.  

It&#039;s the age old chicken and egg argument.  What comes first, commercial or residential, and I believe we are at a point where for more commercial to appear, we need to continue to add residential, especially considering that as of a decade ago there was none, and the majority of the current residencies are designed for wealthy middle aged folk and there is a dramatic lack of residencies designed for mid to late 20 year olds, who like myself, are the ones who want to live downtown anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I just recently bought a condo in deep deuce.  While we were in the process of looking for a place we ruled out the ones near the train tracks almost instantly.  I am very much in favor of core to shore and was very much in favor of maps 3.  That doesn&#8217;t mean that we should turn our backs on the rest of the downtown area.  </p>
<p>Our downtown has made quite the comeback in the last decade but we are not done.  I fully believe that to make another big step forward that the train should be a quiet zone through downtown.  You can just look at the value of condos near the tracks and away from the tracks if you need evidence.  </p>
<p>I live in deep deuce and I walk to automobile alley for dinner and drinks just as often as I walk to bricktown.  This loss of the residential project is a HUGE HUGE loss that should sting for anyone who has bought in to downtown OKC.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s the age old chicken and egg argument.  What comes first, commercial or residential, and I believe we are at a point where for more commercial to appear, we need to continue to add residential, especially considering that as of a decade ago there was none, and the majority of the current residencies are designed for wealthy middle aged folk and there is a dramatic lack of residencies designed for mid to late 20 year olds, who like myself, are the ones who want to live downtown anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: G.Walker</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39221</link>
		<dc:creator>G.Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2011 15:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the city using extra funds to invest in Core To Shore area, shows a testament that the City is more focused on developing Core To Shore area which I am in support. 

Don&#039;t get me wrong, Automobile Alley is undergoing a renaissance, but Bert&#039;s Class A development would be more welcomed if developed in Downtown, Bricktown, or even Deep Deuce. Let&#039;s face it, that area near Campbell Park is not very eye candy and needs more beautification and pedestrian friendly development. 

Moreover, I know the city was seeking federal funds to acquire land south of the new proposed downtown elementary school between SW 2ndst And California, this would be a great area for Berlanger and the Bomasada Group to develop their coined Enclave apartment complexes. Let&#039;s hope Bert doesn&#039;t turn is back on Oklahoma City, and considers developing somewhere else in the downtown core, there are plenty of undeveloped areas.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the city using extra funds to invest in Core To Shore area, shows a testament that the City is more focused on developing Core To Shore area which I am in support. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, Automobile Alley is undergoing a renaissance, but Bert&#8217;s Class A development would be more welcomed if developed in Downtown, Bricktown, or even Deep Deuce. Let&#8217;s face it, that area near Campbell Park is not very eye candy and needs more beautification and pedestrian friendly development. </p>
<p>Moreover, I know the city was seeking federal funds to acquire land south of the new proposed downtown elementary school between SW 2ndst And California, this would be a great area for Berlanger and the Bomasada Group to develop their coined Enclave apartment complexes. Let&#8217;s hope Bert doesn&#8217;t turn is back on Oklahoma City, and considers developing somewhere else in the downtown core, there are plenty of undeveloped areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Bert Belanger</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39158</link>
		<dc:creator>Bert Belanger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve

I appreciate your coverage very much. Some will say I am whining but this is something a number of us have worked on for over 4 years.  Comparing OKC to Chicago or even Austin or Houston is hardly helpful, as these markets have much higher population densities and mature downtowns.

What is most disappointing is getting sandbagged. 

Brent Bryant forgot to say &quot;rich and powerful&quot; when he said we needed cheerleader.

I am very concerned that City Staff is not just making policy but is picking winners and losers based on flawed urban land planning thinking, and, sometimes even less objective criteria.  Developing Downtown, according to the City&#039;s own recent housing study consultant, costs almost 42% more than developing on the City&#039;s edges.

What Steve Mason has done near the tracks is terrific, but restaurant customers only stay around about an hour at a time, not overnight or 8 hours a day like an office worker.  Until have a committed timetable in place for a safe RR corridor, we will not and cannot expect any significant large projects to occur between 4th and 23rd or between Broadway and I235.

Thanks again

Bert]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve</p>
<p>I appreciate your coverage very much. Some will say I am whining but this is something a number of us have worked on for over 4 years.  Comparing OKC to Chicago or even Austin or Houston is hardly helpful, as these markets have much higher population densities and mature downtowns.</p>
<p>What is most disappointing is getting sandbagged. </p>
<p>Brent Bryant forgot to say &#8220;rich and powerful&#8221; when he said we needed cheerleader.</p>
<p>I am very concerned that City Staff is not just making policy but is picking winners and losers based on flawed urban land planning thinking, and, sometimes even less objective criteria.  Developing Downtown, according to the City&#8217;s own recent housing study consultant, costs almost 42% more than developing on the City&#8217;s edges.</p>
<p>What Steve Mason has done near the tracks is terrific, but restaurant customers only stay around about an hour at a time, not overnight or 8 hours a day like an office worker.  Until have a committed timetable in place for a safe RR corridor, we will not and cannot expect any significant large projects to occur between 4th and 23rd or between Broadway and I235.</p>
<p>Thanks again</p>
<p>Bert</p>
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		<title>By: Barney Rubble</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39133</link>
		<dc:creator>Barney Rubble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 19:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They were waiting on the paper tiger Meg Salyer to get it done?  Please.  She&#039;s worthless, unable to move even the bums, I mean occupiers, out of her district, despite one death already.

Meg Salyer has to go.  She stands in the way of even greater downtown progress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They were waiting on the paper tiger Meg Salyer to get it done?  Please.  She&#8217;s worthless, unable to move even the bums, I mean occupiers, out of her district, despite one death already.</p>
<p>Meg Salyer has to go.  She stands in the way of even greater downtown progress.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry OKC</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39131</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[really sounds like a lame excuse from the City. Thought it was for things like this that the &quot;Alliance&quot; was created? Why is the City spending for it? It is supposed to be able to pull all of that creative financing from various sources together. The City has something like 40 different funds (some are restricted use but only technically as we all know, they routinely use multi-millions from the Public Safety tax to the General Fund on a regular, yearly basis).Then there are all the other funding sources available to accomplish it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really sounds like a lame excuse from the City. Thought it was for things like this that the &#8220;Alliance&#8221; was created? Why is the City spending for it? It is supposed to be able to pull all of that creative financing from various sources together. The City has something like 40 different funds (some are restricted use but only technically as we all know, they routinely use multi-millions from the Public Safety tax to the General Fund on a regular, yearly basis).Then there are all the other funding sources available to accomplish it.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike N.</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39130</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 16:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The last line in the article says it all.  With limited funds some things rise to the to and others fall to the bottom.  Simple facts of life.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last line in the article says it all.  With limited funds some things rise to the to and others fall to the bottom.  Simple facts of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39128</link>
		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 15:41:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This situation is not at all comparable to living near any other train, and we can learn nothing about residential by the train from Deep Deuce. The whistle blows at 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, Park Pl, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, and 16th. At low speeds this can mean 2-3 minutes or more of whistle blowing. The train often comes many times in an hour, and sometimes several trains come through back to back. Honestly, Midtown is thriving in spite of the train right now. And it&#039;s not that no one has been saying anything:

http://twitter.com/#!/shopgoodokc/status/127201825333051392
http://twitter.com/#!/JDMerryweather/status/115407865291878401
http://twitter.com/#!/JDMerryweather/status/115409964360667136
http://twitter.com/#!/shanehamp/status/114202967103643648

However, according to Meg Salyer, BNSF is the only one to blame:

http://twitter.com/#!/MegForWard6/status/122315324824625152

How much does a Jersey barrier cost? Let&#039;s just block up everything but 10, 13, and 16. Give me a forklift and I&#039;ll do it tomorrow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This situation is not at all comparable to living near any other train, and we can learn nothing about residential by the train from Deep Deuce. The whistle blows at 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, Park Pl, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, and 16th. At low speeds this can mean 2-3 minutes or more of whistle blowing. The train often comes many times in an hour, and sometimes several trains come through back to back. Honestly, Midtown is thriving in spite of the train right now. And it&#8217;s not that no one has been saying anything:</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/#!/shopgoodokc/status/127201825333051392" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/#!/shopgoodokc/status/127201825333051392</a><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/#!/JDMerryweather/status/115407865291878401" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/#!/JDMerryweather/status/115407865291878401</a><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/#!/JDMerryweather/status/115409964360667136" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/#!/JDMerryweather/status/115409964360667136</a><br />
<a href="http://twitter.com/#!/shanehamp/status/114202967103643648" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/#!/shanehamp/status/114202967103643648</a></p>
<p>However, according to Meg Salyer, BNSF is the only one to blame:</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/#!/MegForWard6/status/122315324824625152" rel="nofollow">http://twitter.com/#!/MegForWard6/status/122315324824625152</a></p>
<p>How much does a Jersey barrier cost? Let&#8217;s just block up everything but 10, 13, and 16. Give me a forklift and I&#8217;ll do it tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/11/25/question-to-all-the-downtown-folks/comment-page-1/#comment-39126</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If they are going to spend the money on something other than a park then I would prefer they spend it on something cultural or educational or interactive. Quiet Zone in downtown?  Really?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are going to spend the money on something other than a park then I would prefer they spend it on something cultural or educational or interactive. Quiet Zone in downtown?  Really?</p>
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