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	<title>Comments on: The Story About Raising $6 Million in Private Donations a Year for the Core to Shore Park</title>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35515</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like your idea a lot, David.  And Matt, you can take credit as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your idea a lot, David.  And Matt, you can take credit as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35330</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 22:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you David, but I said it first!  See a few comments above.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you David, but I said it first!  See a few comments above.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry OKC</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35302</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2011 04:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[David Ball: +1]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Ball: +1</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35271</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 14:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That would cost way too much money, David; probably $4 million. It would leave only $126 million for the convention center overruns and convention center hotel.  But we could use money allocated for the senior health centers.  Everyone knows that OKC is one of the healthiest cities in America.  Seems a waste of our taxes to worry about old people when we could possibly land the Republican National Convention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would cost way too much money, David; probably $4 million. It would leave only $126 million for the convention center overruns and convention center hotel.  But we could use money allocated for the senior health centers.  Everyone knows that OKC is one of the healthiest cities in America.  Seems a waste of our taxes to worry about old people when we could possibly land the Republican National Convention.</p>
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		<title>By: david ball</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35246</link>
		<dc:creator>david ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 23:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think the park should be truly okie.  native grasses, redbuds, dogwoods, cottonwoods, rose rocks, horny toads, a creek with perch in it... the kind of environment that was here before we were.  it would have its own distinctive beauty, it would be uniquely our own, and best of all, it would not require maintenance at all (other than keeping it clean).  anybody think this is a bad idea?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think the park should be truly okie.  native grasses, redbuds, dogwoods, cottonwoods, rose rocks, horny toads, a creek with perch in it&#8230; the kind of environment that was here before we were.  it would have its own distinctive beauty, it would be uniquely our own, and best of all, it would not require maintenance at all (other than keeping it clean).  anybody think this is a bad idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 15:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think it&#039;s very important to define park typologies and park programs at this point in the conversation. The Myriad Botanical Gardens are just that, a Botanical Garden.  Sure there are park like elements, and programming, but at the end of the day it&#039;s a garden experience and not intended to handle large volumes of people engaged in active recreation.  

The amount of armchair (or office chair) quarterbacking with regards to park design I see here is amusing.  The City has done taken the appropriate course of action in seeking out the services of a group of Landscape Architects and collaborators to design our central urban environment.  I don&#039;t think Oklahoma City residents know how lucky they are to be engaged with some of the preeminent Landscape Architecural firms in the world.  These people know what they are doing and will not lead us astray.  

On the surface, creating a blank slate park may be appealing to some.  And it&#039;s true that any major park is never truly finished. However, the idea of rolling out a green carpet and calling it a park or activated social space is inept.  Urban parks are some the most complex and techinically challenging spaces a City can create.  It&#039;s not a matter of turf and trees.  There are complex natural and social systems to be considered.  

My appeal here, is for Oklahoma City Residents to consider the strengths and limitations of the Myriad Botanical Gardens.  The gardens are a beautiful urban space, but not a substitute for the experience of a truly active, codifying and socially defining, large urban park.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s very important to define park typologies and park programs at this point in the conversation. The Myriad Botanical Gardens are just that, a Botanical Garden.  Sure there are park like elements, and programming, but at the end of the day it&#8217;s a garden experience and not intended to handle large volumes of people engaged in active recreation.  </p>
<p>The amount of armchair (or office chair) quarterbacking with regards to park design I see here is amusing.  The City has done taken the appropriate course of action in seeking out the services of a group of Landscape Architects and collaborators to design our central urban environment.  I don&#8217;t think Oklahoma City residents know how lucky they are to be engaged with some of the preeminent Landscape Architecural firms in the world.  These people know what they are doing and will not lead us astray.  </p>
<p>On the surface, creating a blank slate park may be appealing to some.  And it&#8217;s true that any major park is never truly finished. However, the idea of rolling out a green carpet and calling it a park or activated social space is inept.  Urban parks are some the most complex and techinically challenging spaces a City can create.  It&#8217;s not a matter of turf and trees.  There are complex natural and social systems to be considered.  </p>
<p>My appeal here, is for Oklahoma City Residents to consider the strengths and limitations of the Myriad Botanical Gardens.  The gardens are a beautiful urban space, but not a substitute for the experience of a truly active, codifying and socially defining, large urban park.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35230</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2011 02:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And my point is that not everyone wants a &quot;high end&quot; park.  A lot of people will be happy to have a big park with open spaces, especially if they know new features will be added as time goes on.  To me, it&#039;s like decorating a house.  When I first move into a house, I buy almost nothing new for it.  I have to live there and as I do, I get ideas about what will look good where, where I should hang the pictures.  I see how the house is used and where people congregate to determine what my needs will be.  It&#039;s also fun to drag the decorating out over time.  I don&#039;t like to walk into a &quot;finished&quot; house because I quickly get bored with it.  I think that going to the park over time to see new additions will keep it fresh and exciting to visit.  

For example, while the Myriad is very nice, I feel overstimulated when I&#039;m there.  There&#039;s so much to look at that I can&#039;t focus on or enjoy any one part of the park.  I keep moving to look at the next thing.  To me, while I understand why it was finished quickly, it&#039;s a bit like getting too many Christmas presents at once. 

As I&#039;ve said, I think we will all breathe a big.....&quot;ahhhh&quot; just to see a huge swath of green and trees where there once were abandoned and unaesthetic buildings.  Then, we can enjoy watching the design unfold over time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And my point is that not everyone wants a &#8220;high end&#8221; park.  A lot of people will be happy to have a big park with open spaces, especially if they know new features will be added as time goes on.  To me, it&#8217;s like decorating a house.  When I first move into a house, I buy almost nothing new for it.  I have to live there and as I do, I get ideas about what will look good where, where I should hang the pictures.  I see how the house is used and where people congregate to determine what my needs will be.  It&#8217;s also fun to drag the decorating out over time.  I don&#8217;t like to walk into a &#8220;finished&#8221; house because I quickly get bored with it.  I think that going to the park over time to see new additions will keep it fresh and exciting to visit.  </p>
<p>For example, while the Myriad is very nice, I feel overstimulated when I&#8217;m there.  There&#8217;s so much to look at that I can&#8217;t focus on or enjoy any one part of the park.  I keep moving to look at the next thing.  To me, while I understand why it was finished quickly, it&#8217;s a bit like getting too many Christmas presents at once. </p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve said, I think we will all breathe a big&#8230;..&#8221;ahhhh&#8221; just to see a huge swath of green and trees where there once were abandoned and unaesthetic buildings.  Then, we can enjoy watching the design unfold over time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike N.</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35213</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 16:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[City owned/operated/sponsored convention center hotel.  Now there is some pretty stupid phooeey.  If it is such a good business decision to have it private industry will jump on it.  If private industry remains aloof that should tell ninnyhammer citizens and politicians it is a financial disaster.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>City owned/operated/sponsored convention center hotel.  Now there is some pretty stupid phooeey.  If it is such a good business decision to have it private industry will jump on it.  If private industry remains aloof that should tell ninnyhammer citizens and politicians it is a financial disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35200</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 03:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Get with the new program, BTDT!  Grass doesn&#039;t cost $130 million.  It costs $2 million.  We can use the remainder of the park budget on the convention center overuns and the still unfunded, but necessary, convention center hotel.  If that&#039;s not enough, rubber-tired trolleys will suffice for the streetcars.  The canoe concession isn&#039;t a bad idea either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get with the new program, BTDT!  Grass doesn&#8217;t cost $130 million.  It costs $2 million.  We can use the remainder of the park budget on the convention center overuns and the still unfunded, but necessary, convention center hotel.  If that&#8217;s not enough, rubber-tired trolleys will suffice for the streetcars.  The canoe concession isn&#8217;t a bad idea either.</p>
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		<title>By: BTDT</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/07/19/the-story-about-raising-6-million-in-private-donations-a-year-for-the-core-to-shore-park/comment-page-1/#comment-35198</link>
		<dc:creator>BTDT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jul 2011 02:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My point is that when one pitches a high end park to voters, to bait/switch to dull open grassy space would be as wrong as deciding streetcars could be cheaper buses, whitewater could be a canoe/paddleboat concession, or the senior centers could be farmer market spaces.  The city ought to build what people were pitched to support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is that when one pitches a high end park to voters, to bait/switch to dull open grassy space would be as wrong as deciding streetcars could be cheaper buses, whitewater could be a canoe/paddleboat concession, or the senior centers could be farmer market spaces.  The city ought to build what people were pitched to support.</p>
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