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	<description>The Oklahoman&#039;s Steve Lackmeyer covers downtown OKC brick by brick.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/06/19/theres-a-theme-here-somewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-33829</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2011 21:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Local investors are almost always better stewards of their investments than those from the outside. Continuing the comparison, a greater number of smaller investors is better in the long term than fewer, larger owners. Here in OKC (flyover country), we&#039;ve been ignored by the behemoth investors and funds which overheated and overbuilt coastal markets (yes, PHX &amp; LAS too) before leaving town. And to use a baseball metaphor to underscore Steve&#039;s point, we&#039;re putting more runs on the board with base hits, instead of swinging for the fences. 

Glad to be here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Local investors are almost always better stewards of their investments than those from the outside. Continuing the comparison, a greater number of smaller investors is better in the long term than fewer, larger owners. Here in OKC (flyover country), we&#8217;ve been ignored by the behemoth investors and funds which overheated and overbuilt coastal markets (yes, PHX &amp; LAS too) before leaving town. And to use a baseball metaphor to underscore Steve&#8217;s point, we&#8217;re putting more runs on the board with base hits, instead of swinging for the fences. </p>
<p>Glad to be here.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/06/19/theres-a-theme-here-somewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-33783</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I really wish there was the potential for these two cities to have a rail connection in the future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wish there was the potential for these two cities to have a rail connection in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: KilgoreTrout</title>
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		<dc:creator>KilgoreTrout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being a veteran of both places, OKC has more development, but both the Blue Dome District and the Brady District are unrivaled for a cool, organic area. Bricktown is for tourists and out-of-towners unless there&#039;s a Thunder game. Downtown Tulsa is a way funner place to go with Elliot Nelson&#039;s and others successes. OKC has potential for some cool areas with Deep Deuce, MidTown, Classen, and other areas, but none of them can rival what Tulsa has going...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a veteran of both places, OKC has more development, but both the Blue Dome District and the Brady District are unrivaled for a cool, organic area. Bricktown is for tourists and out-of-towners unless there&#8217;s a Thunder game. Downtown Tulsa is a way funner place to go with Elliot Nelson&#8217;s and others successes. OKC has potential for some cool areas with Deep Deuce, MidTown, Classen, and other areas, but none of them can rival what Tulsa has going&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: slackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/06/19/theres-a-theme-here-somewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-33778</link>
		<dc:creator>slackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Reggie. I really, really love downtown Tulsa, and it wouldn&#039;t take much for me to get as &quot;obsessive&quot; about its prospects as some say I am about downtown OKC. 
Kyle, I will want to visit that Art Deco museum!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Reggie. I really, really love downtown Tulsa, and it wouldn&#8217;t take much for me to get as &#8220;obsessive&#8221; about its prospects as some say I am about downtown OKC.<br />
Kyle, I will want to visit that Art Deco museum!</p>
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		<title>By: Reggie Jet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reggie Jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 17:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have thought for many years that one of the most unrealized economic development potentials in the state is Tulsa&#039;s art deco downtown. We simply cannot afford to lose those buildings.

David is right about OKC going through council in-fighting in the past. I&#039;m old enough to remember the Bishop Block! Southwide councilman Bill Bishop could get a majority for quite sometime to block Mayor Patience Latting&#039;s initiatives and ideas. 

Now, this was before the days of the Internet and social networking, so reporting/comments were confined to the news media and face to face conversations. If we had had the technology back then, it could have turned into a quite nasty situation. All you have to do is read the comments posted on the World and Oklahoman sites to see how truly obnoxious and inconsiderate people can be. And it&#039;s there for all to read and react to.

Sigh...

On a side note, it&#039;s quite refreshing to see how civil this particular conversation is going! I doubt that OKC Talk or the Tulsa Now Forum could pull it off. LOL]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have thought for many years that one of the most unrealized economic development potentials in the state is Tulsa&#8217;s art deco downtown. We simply cannot afford to lose those buildings.</p>
<p>David is right about OKC going through council in-fighting in the past. I&#8217;m old enough to remember the Bishop Block! Southwide councilman Bill Bishop could get a majority for quite sometime to block Mayor Patience Latting&#8217;s initiatives and ideas. </p>
<p>Now, this was before the days of the Internet and social networking, so reporting/comments were confined to the news media and face to face conversations. If we had had the technology back then, it could have turned into a quite nasty situation. All you have to do is read the comments posted on the World and Oklahoman sites to see how truly obnoxious and inconsiderate people can be. And it&#8217;s there for all to read and react to.</p>
<p>Sigh&#8230;</p>
<p>On a side note, it&#8217;s quite refreshing to see how civil this particular conversation is going! I doubt that OKC Talk or the Tulsa Now Forum could pull it off. LOL</p>
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		<title>By: david ball</title>
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		<dc:creator>david ball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 16:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i don&#039;t know if this directly answers steve&#039;s question, but what i have noticed as hindering tulsa stems from the shift from the commission form of government to the ward system.  

back when tulsa had the commission form of government, tulsa had a much more unified vision for the city, and was frankly whipping okc as being &quot;the place you wanted to be.&quot;  this was changed as the result of a very understandable lawsuit (tulsa&#039;s african-american community was basically disenfranchised and could not get representation on the council under citywide elections), but the result is a fragmented city.  the feuding that has followed has been legendary.

meanwhile, okc had been divided (since the very beginning of its existence) by a split between north and south.  only when things got so bad, for so long, did the city finally put aside local differences and unite behind MAPS.  it is still a delicate balancing act, but okc has shown that a unified council can actually get things done, even the unthinkable improvment of city schools.

i can&#039;t say if there is a better way to run the government, taking into account the local history and need to include all of the city&#039;s citizens.  however, i can say that you can get much, MUCH more done when the city is not divided against itself.  MAPS alone did not save okc.  private investment, by people confident in the unified direction of the city, did.  as everyone knows, the private investment in okc has dwarfed the public investment.

i truly hope that tulsa thrives.  to achieve its fullest potential, the squabbling between the council and the mayor, and among the council members, must stop.  i hope it doesn&#039;t take for tulsa to have to learn this the hard way like okc did before this becomes reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t know if this directly answers steve&#8217;s question, but what i have noticed as hindering tulsa stems from the shift from the commission form of government to the ward system.  </p>
<p>back when tulsa had the commission form of government, tulsa had a much more unified vision for the city, and was frankly whipping okc as being &#8220;the place you wanted to be.&#8221;  this was changed as the result of a very understandable lawsuit (tulsa&#8217;s african-american community was basically disenfranchised and could not get representation on the council under citywide elections), but the result is a fragmented city.  the feuding that has followed has been legendary.</p>
<p>meanwhile, okc had been divided (since the very beginning of its existence) by a split between north and south.  only when things got so bad, for so long, did the city finally put aside local differences and unite behind MAPS.  it is still a delicate balancing act, but okc has shown that a unified council can actually get things done, even the unthinkable improvment of city schools.</p>
<p>i can&#8217;t say if there is a better way to run the government, taking into account the local history and need to include all of the city&#8217;s citizens.  however, i can say that you can get much, MUCH more done when the city is not divided against itself.  MAPS alone did not save okc.  private investment, by people confident in the unified direction of the city, did.  as everyone knows, the private investment in okc has dwarfed the public investment.</p>
<p>i truly hope that tulsa thrives.  to achieve its fullest potential, the squabbling between the council and the mayor, and among the council members, must stop.  i hope it doesn&#8217;t take for tulsa to have to learn this the hard way like okc did before this becomes reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle from Tulsa</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/06/19/theres-a-theme-here-somewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-33774</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle from Tulsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the biggest thing both cities could learn is to focus more on the small, organic growth rather than trying to have one person revitalize downtown. It has already been proven which one works better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the biggest thing both cities could learn is to focus more on the small, organic growth rather than trying to have one person revitalize downtown. It has already been proven which one works better.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle from Tulsa</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2011/06/19/theres-a-theme-here-somewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-33772</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle from Tulsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t worry, I didn&#039;t take it as bash Tulsa, more as reporting on some Tulsa news. 

Oh, and another development, we may soon have an Art Deco museum, at least a starter one..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry, I didn&#8217;t take it as bash Tulsa, more as reporting on some Tulsa news. </p>
<p>Oh, and another development, we may soon have an Art Deco museum, at least a starter one..</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Brzycki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Brzycki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brad makes some good points about out of state investors/developers.  As much as we&#039;d like to lure the big dollars from all over the country, a big part of development is understanding the community and wanting to do things for reasons other than money.

OKC has a similar situation with First National Center and Milbank from Los Angeles.  They made big promises but then didn&#039;t even bother to pay their local PR firm and other vendors.  When asked about this, their president waved it off and complained about undue scrutiny.  Even if they hadn&#039;t gone into bankruptcy I had a very bad feeling about them from the outset.

It must be said that a big part of real estate is EGO, which is very obvious to those of us that have been around the business.  People like to leave their mark and drive by buildings and proclaim, &quot;I did that!&quot;  Or, &quot;I&#039;d love to do something with that.&quot;  You don&#039;t get that from those that only fly in a few times a year.

Investors are a different story because typically they are buying finished product.  But even so, improvements and maintenance are viewed purely as a financial decision, not as something to be done to better the neighborhood or community.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad makes some good points about out of state investors/developers.  As much as we&#8217;d like to lure the big dollars from all over the country, a big part of development is understanding the community and wanting to do things for reasons other than money.</p>
<p>OKC has a similar situation with First National Center and Milbank from Los Angeles.  They made big promises but then didn&#8217;t even bother to pay their local PR firm and other vendors.  When asked about this, their president waved it off and complained about undue scrutiny.  Even if they hadn&#8217;t gone into bankruptcy I had a very bad feeling about them from the outset.</p>
<p>It must be said that a big part of real estate is EGO, which is very obvious to those of us that have been around the business.  People like to leave their mark and drive by buildings and proclaim, &#8220;I did that!&#8221;  Or, &#8220;I&#8217;d love to do something with that.&#8221;  You don&#8217;t get that from those that only fly in a few times a year.</p>
<p>Investors are a different story because typically they are buying finished product.  But even so, improvements and maintenance are viewed purely as a financial decision, not as something to be done to better the neighborhood or community.</p>
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		<title>By: slackmeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>slackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2011 15:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kyle, I share your enthusiasm, and once again I really hope my post isn&#039;t taken as a &quot;bash Tulsa&quot; post because it&#039;s not. And One Place is one of the promising developments I was referring to as I discussed pending changes making things a lot better. What can both cities learn from this experience? What&#039;s next?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kyle, I share your enthusiasm, and once again I really hope my post isn&#8217;t taken as a &#8220;bash Tulsa&#8221; post because it&#8217;s not. And One Place is one of the promising developments I was referring to as I discussed pending changes making things a lot better. What can both cities learn from this experience? What&#8217;s next?</p>
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