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	<title>Comments on: An Alternative Take on &#8220;Oklahoma City Boulevard&#8221; from a Local Branding Expert</title>
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		<title>By: Valerie McEvoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie McEvoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would agree that something more cool, creative and hip is  needed. The term &#039;Oklahoma City&#039; is an ongoing challenge for OKC. Tulsa and T Town has cool. Austin, Dallas, but Oklahoma City just sounds so...Oklahoma City. Perhaps some at the helm will heed your wise words!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would agree that something more cool, creative and hip is  needed. The term &#8216;Oklahoma City&#8217; is an ongoing challenge for OKC. Tulsa and T Town has cool. Austin, Dallas, but Oklahoma City just sounds so&#8230;Oklahoma City. Perhaps some at the helm will heed your wise words!</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2011 02:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL Larry - look around.  From 1950 to 1998 OKC did &quot;grind to a halt&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL Larry &#8211; look around.  From 1950 to 1998 OKC did &#8220;grind to a halt&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry in OKC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry in OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Digger: Those have been my thoughts since I first heard that the Boulevard was going to follow the &quot;same path&quot; as the current crosstown a few years ago and have been asking the same questions with no answers. Guess no one bothered to look at a map and see the actual path. Have yet to hear the reasoning why OKC NEEDS a Boulevard there. The Mayor just says its needed as fact. He even stated that OKC will &quot;grind to a halt&quot; if the Boulevard and Park don&#039;t open in 2014. So how is it we have been getting along for 100+ years now without one?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Digger: Those have been my thoughts since I first heard that the Boulevard was going to follow the &#8220;same path&#8221; as the current crosstown a few years ago and have been asking the same questions with no answers. Guess no one bothered to look at a map and see the actual path. Have yet to hear the reasoning why OKC NEEDS a Boulevard there. The Mayor just says its needed as fact. He even stated that OKC will &#8220;grind to a halt&#8221; if the Boulevard and Park don&#8217;t open in 2014. So how is it we have been getting along for 100+ years now without one?</p>
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		<title>By: Kerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2011 03:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are correct Digger.  My first preference would be to restore the grid.  The good news is that I think the &#039;Convention Center First&#039; crowd wants the boulevard gone as well, and for the same reason they don&#039;t want the Core to Shore park.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are correct Digger.  My first preference would be to restore the grid.  The good news is that I think the &#8216;Convention Center First&#8217; crowd wants the boulevard gone as well, and for the same reason they don&#8217;t want the Core to Shore park.</p>
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		<title>By: Digger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Digger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 16:39:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about Lindley Avenue, California Avenue, Reno Avenue, SW 2nd Street, or SW 3rd Street? This whole concept is flawed because the route of the existing Crosstown leaves so many oddly shaped parcels, especially between Klein and Walker. The east end of the project should disperse surface street traffic onto SE 3rd Street and Reno; the west end should disperse surface street traffic onto Reno and a reconstructed California Avenue. Other traffic can access downtown from the new exits from I-40 to the south. Then ODOT could abandon some right-of-way and sell it off to make resulting parcels merged with adjacent ones developable. A pretty boulevard abutted by a collection of oddly shaped lots that can&#039;t be developed doesn&#039;t seem like a good idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about Lindley Avenue, California Avenue, Reno Avenue, SW 2nd Street, or SW 3rd Street? This whole concept is flawed because the route of the existing Crosstown leaves so many oddly shaped parcels, especially between Klein and Walker. The east end of the project should disperse surface street traffic onto SE 3rd Street and Reno; the west end should disperse surface street traffic onto Reno and a reconstructed California Avenue. Other traffic can access downtown from the new exits from I-40 to the south. Then ODOT could abandon some right-of-way and sell it off to make resulting parcels merged with adjacent ones developable. A pretty boulevard abutted by a collection of oddly shaped lots that can&#8217;t be developed doesn&#8217;t seem like a good idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 14:40:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Brian: apologies for not picking up the joke. The general sentiment in this area of the Portland type is generally negative (except among our own hipsters and alternative types), so I wasn&#039;t sure about discerning between that and your joke. 

We definitely do need more hipsters, metalheads and liberals in general. As much as people may want to turn a blind eye to this, conservative places simply do not thrive as cultural hubs. There may be fine arts and orchestra in such places, to cater to the wealthy snobbish folks that litter conservatism, but as you may know it&#039;s the underground arts that keep the otherwise-rotten core of a city going. OKC has one band that gives it any credibility (the Flaming Lips), and the rest are largely generic indie crap, noise filler. The vast majority of the Paseo art I&#039;ve seen is weak and uninspired.

Something I noticed growing up here is that although there are loads of people who would strike you as more of an L.A., PacNW or Austin type, the universal attitude is cliquish. I&#039;ve always been a metalhead, and when trying to engage with other metalheads on the street (wearing t-shirts of bands that I dig), snubbing was usually the reaction. Cliquish tendencies do not a successful scene make, and without successful scenes you don&#039;t have the vibrant life of successful cities. You have quiet districts with empty buildings that could be filled with record stores, book stores, cafes and music venues. You have a Bricktown that has this great old architecture, but almost every space is filled with a restaurant or a bar. If you don&#039;t want to see a movie, eat or get drunk, what good is Bricktown? And seriously, that&#039;s the pride of OKC!

If they want to give this town a personality, they should spend a bit of time in Portland, living like a Portlander. We have nothing like the Hawthorne District or Belmont. Compare our downtown to downtown PDX: what&#039;s missing? The reason Portland would be such a good model for us is that our cities are almost identical in population size (though their metro area is much more populous). 

A few years ago, a Californian that I knew who was living in OKC at the time noted that she&#039;d never seen a state that makes so many mentions of itself. I didn&#039;t notice it until then, but it&#039;s really true, and it&#039;s a bit lame. We have to keep pumping ourselves up, cheerleading ourselves, because that&#039;s the only way we can feel good about ourselves as a state/city. And this is further illustrated in naming this grand boulevard-to-be &quot;Oklahoma City Boulevard&quot;. You don&#039;t become great by insisting upon your own greatness!

If this OKC think tank consulted me, I would tell them to stop emulating the shells of greater cities, and start emulating the cores of these cities. Find out what makes a district like the Hawthorne District of Portland great, and offer incentives for similar small businesses to cluster together in areas of OKC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Brian: apologies for not picking up the joke. The general sentiment in this area of the Portland type is generally negative (except among our own hipsters and alternative types), so I wasn&#8217;t sure about discerning between that and your joke. </p>
<p>We definitely do need more hipsters, metalheads and liberals in general. As much as people may want to turn a blind eye to this, conservative places simply do not thrive as cultural hubs. There may be fine arts and orchestra in such places, to cater to the wealthy snobbish folks that litter conservatism, but as you may know it&#8217;s the underground arts that keep the otherwise-rotten core of a city going. OKC has one band that gives it any credibility (the Flaming Lips), and the rest are largely generic indie crap, noise filler. The vast majority of the Paseo art I&#8217;ve seen is weak and uninspired.</p>
<p>Something I noticed growing up here is that although there are loads of people who would strike you as more of an L.A., PacNW or Austin type, the universal attitude is cliquish. I&#8217;ve always been a metalhead, and when trying to engage with other metalheads on the street (wearing t-shirts of bands that I dig), snubbing was usually the reaction. Cliquish tendencies do not a successful scene make, and without successful scenes you don&#8217;t have the vibrant life of successful cities. You have quiet districts with empty buildings that could be filled with record stores, book stores, cafes and music venues. You have a Bricktown that has this great old architecture, but almost every space is filled with a restaurant or a bar. If you don&#8217;t want to see a movie, eat or get drunk, what good is Bricktown? And seriously, that&#8217;s the pride of OKC!</p>
<p>If they want to give this town a personality, they should spend a bit of time in Portland, living like a Portlander. We have nothing like the Hawthorne District or Belmont. Compare our downtown to downtown PDX: what&#8217;s missing? The reason Portland would be such a good model for us is that our cities are almost identical in population size (though their metro area is much more populous). </p>
<p>A few years ago, a Californian that I knew who was living in OKC at the time noted that she&#8217;d never seen a state that makes so many mentions of itself. I didn&#8217;t notice it until then, but it&#8217;s really true, and it&#8217;s a bit lame. We have to keep pumping ourselves up, cheerleading ourselves, because that&#8217;s the only way we can feel good about ourselves as a state/city. And this is further illustrated in naming this grand boulevard-to-be &#8220;Oklahoma City Boulevard&#8221;. You don&#8217;t become great by insisting upon your own greatness!</p>
<p>If this OKC think tank consulted me, I would tell them to stop emulating the shells of greater cities, and start emulating the cores of these cities. Find out what makes a district like the Hawthorne District of Portland great, and offer incentives for similar small businesses to cluster together in areas of OKC.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry in OKC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry in OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 02:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To WMH, there was an article a while back that said the funding is in place and it is on ODOTs 8 year plan now, but the oklahoman stated that the money isn&#039;t really in hand yet and wont be until after it is built (believe it or not). They are expecting the money from anticipated increased funding in 2016? The Boulevard is supposed to be open in 2014!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To WMH, there was an article a while back that said the funding is in place and it is on ODOTs 8 year plan now, but the oklahoman stated that the money isn&#8217;t really in hand yet and wont be until after it is built (believe it or not). They are expecting the money from anticipated increased funding in 2016? The Boulevard is supposed to be open in 2014!</p>
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		<title>By: Larry in OKC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry in OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 02:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent points. Did Mr. Winkeler speak at today&#039;s Council meeting by chance? I take it that he didn&#039;t since they approved it with only 1 dissenting vote (unfortunately, not form my Councilman).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent points. Did Mr. Winkeler speak at today&#8217;s Council meeting by chance? I take it that he didn&#8217;t since they approved it with only 1 dissenting vote (unfortunately, not form my Councilman).</p>
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		<title>By: BTDT</title>
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		<dc:creator>BTDT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 01:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With an 8-1 vote in favor of that terribly lame name, 
it&#039;s really not possible to hang all the blame on your mayor.  He&#039;s got lots of company this go around.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With an 8-1 vote in favor of that terribly lame name,<br />
it&#8217;s really not possible to hang all the blame on your mayor.  He&#8217;s got lots of company this go around.</p>
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		<title>By: MikeN</title>
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		<dc:creator>MikeN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2011 00:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tell that to our unillustrious Mayor.  He is the fool that is pushing this thru.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell that to our unillustrious Mayor.  He is the fool that is pushing this thru.</p>
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