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		<title>By: Larry OKC</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2010/07/30/4387/comment-page-1/#comment-15030</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[James, some conflicting info for ya (imagine that)

Study reports up to $400 million needed for new convention center in Oklahoma City (3/10/09)
“... we are slowly going out of business as far as conventions are concerned.”  -- David Thompson, chamber chairman

(General point reiterated during the MAPS 3 campaign)

Then a month later: Conventions are booming in downtown Oklahoma City (4/15/09)

City leaders were celebrating Tuesday’s story in USA Today that Oklahoma City has seen the highest increase — about 80 percent — in the number of planners’ requests for convention and meeting proposals here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, some conflicting info for ya (imagine that)</p>
<p>Study reports up to $400 million needed for new convention center in Oklahoma City (3/10/09)<br />
“&#8230; we are slowly going out of business as far as conventions are concerned.”  &#8212; David Thompson, chamber chairman</p>
<p>(General point reiterated during the MAPS 3 campaign)</p>
<p>Then a month later: Conventions are booming in downtown Oklahoma City (4/15/09)</p>
<p>City leaders were celebrating Tuesday’s story in USA Today that Oklahoma City has seen the highest increase — about 80 percent — in the number of planners’ requests for convention and meeting proposals here.</p>
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		<title>By: James Ellison</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2010/07/30/4387/comment-page-1/#comment-14920</link>
		<dc:creator>James Ellison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Main Street site is ideal, in my opinion, in almost every way.  Sure Blair pointed out the limitations sited in the HOK Study, but I think those issues can be easily addressed.  I also think ruling a site out because you use the existing surface parking lots as a shortcut walking to work is ridiculous. Oklahoma City has an issue with the use of land in general and in a nutshell the issue is we waste it unnecessarily. 

The main street site provides a case study where we can use density and urban form to our advantage and create a true destination and a direct link between the downtown core and bricktown. The juxtaposition to the existing Bricktown structures would also be refreshing.

Here are also a few things to consider. 

First, The Convention Center shouldn&#039;t be thought of as a means of &quot;kicking off core to shore&quot; or any other neighborhood. 

Second, Jeff Bezdek made a great point and that is we need to consider transit and access to transit as a factor in deciding where to locate the Convention Center. 

Third, how is the convention business doing in general? in light of the economic challenges how will the convention business rebound?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Main Street site is ideal, in my opinion, in almost every way.  Sure Blair pointed out the limitations sited in the HOK Study, but I think those issues can be easily addressed.  I also think ruling a site out because you use the existing surface parking lots as a shortcut walking to work is ridiculous. Oklahoma City has an issue with the use of land in general and in a nutshell the issue is we waste it unnecessarily. </p>
<p>The main street site provides a case study where we can use density and urban form to our advantage and create a true destination and a direct link between the downtown core and bricktown. The juxtaposition to the existing Bricktown structures would also be refreshing.</p>
<p>Here are also a few things to consider. </p>
<p>First, The Convention Center shouldn&#8217;t be thought of as a means of &#8220;kicking off core to shore&#8221; or any other neighborhood. </p>
<p>Second, Jeff Bezdek made a great point and that is we need to consider transit and access to transit as a factor in deciding where to locate the Convention Center. </p>
<p>Third, how is the convention business doing in general? in light of the economic challenges how will the convention business rebound?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry OKC</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2010/07/30/4387/comment-page-1/#comment-13994</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry OKC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 06:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So Jill, you are taking the &quot;not in my backyard&quot; approach?  (just kidding)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Jill, you are taking the &#8220;not in my backyard&#8221; approach?  (just kidding)</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Bezdek</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2010/07/30/4387/comment-page-1/#comment-13950</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Bezdek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 19:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The subcomittee will have to factor that the transit community will vigorously pursue preserving the rail alignment at the Main Street site.  That alignment provides direct connection to Midwest City and the Adventure District.  It is also depicted as ODoT&#039;s high speed rail alignment in their recent federal applications.

Buildings can certainly coexist with trains, but the subcommittee needs to weigh in the size and spacial needs of future transit through that space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The subcomittee will have to factor that the transit community will vigorously pursue preserving the rail alignment at the Main Street site.  That alignment provides direct connection to Midwest City and the Adventure District.  It is also depicted as ODoT&#8217;s high speed rail alignment in their recent federal applications.</p>
<p>Buildings can certainly coexist with trains, but the subcommittee needs to weigh in the size and spacial needs of future transit through that space.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2010/07/30/4387/comment-page-1/#comment-13948</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 18:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t like the main street site at all, perhaps because I live near there and my shortcut into Bricktown goes through those parking lots!  It&#039;s really more because I dislike virtually all convention centers, appearance wise, and I hate the thought of Bricktown having one in its midst.  We probably couldn&#039;t afford to make it fit the architectural style of the area and so it would end up being an eyesore.  I far prefer virtually every suggested site over Main, even though from a proximity standpoint it&#039;s a good location.  The lumber yard has the advantage of being in lower Bricktown, where new cheaper construction would fit in better visually, IMO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the main street site at all, perhaps because I live near there and my shortcut into Bricktown goes through those parking lots!  It&#8217;s really more because I dislike virtually all convention centers, appearance wise, and I hate the thought of Bricktown having one in its midst.  We probably couldn&#8217;t afford to make it fit the architectural style of the area and so it would end up being an eyesore.  I far prefer virtually every suggested site over Main, even though from a proximity standpoint it&#8217;s a good location.  The lumber yard has the advantage of being in lower Bricktown, where new cheaper construction would fit in better visually, IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Blair Humphreys</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blair Humphreys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;b&gt;The land on which the Aloft hotel is proposed was never included as part of the Main Street site: &lt;a href=&quot;https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8aMIJ_jSCVbMmQ1YWJmN2EtZmQ2NC00MjhhLWIxNzItYWEyNDYzNmJhN2Nk&amp;hl=en&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;HOK Site Study (pg 14)&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;  

The HOK Study ranked the Main Street Site as the #2 site - over both the #3 ranked Co-op site and #4 ranked Core to Shore site - with only the lumberyard site being ranked higher.  This analysis accounted for some apparent weaknesses of the Main Street site, including: size, truck access, and expansion options; and yet the site&#039;s considerable strengths still placed it at #2 overall.  Of course, the HOK study&#039;s focus was on the best site from a convention goer&#039;s perspective, not from the city as a whole&#039;s perspective.  I believe when you combine the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.imaginativeamerica.com/2009/10/maps-3-looking-forward-mayor-cornett-on-the-new-convention-center/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;criteria laid out by the Mayor&lt;/a&gt; concerning proximity to existing hotels and Bricktown, with the convention goer&#039;s criteria used by HOK, the Main Street site is an even stronger option and thus worthy of serious consideration.

That said, at this point I am simply a proponent of all potential sites being considered, and a site being selected based on objective criteria that targets the best interest of the city as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>The land on which the Aloft hotel is proposed was never included as part of the Main Street site: <a href="https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B8aMIJ_jSCVbMmQ1YWJmN2EtZmQ2NC00MjhhLWIxNzItYWEyNDYzNmJhN2Nk&amp;hl=en" rel="nofollow">HOK Site Study (pg 14)</a>.</b>  </p>
<p>The HOK Study ranked the Main Street Site as the #2 site &#8211; over both the #3 ranked Co-op site and #4 ranked Core to Shore site &#8211; with only the lumberyard site being ranked higher.  This analysis accounted for some apparent weaknesses of the Main Street site, including: size, truck access, and expansion options; and yet the site&#8217;s considerable strengths still placed it at #2 overall.  Of course, the HOK study&#8217;s focus was on the best site from a convention goer&#8217;s perspective, not from the city as a whole&#8217;s perspective.  I believe when you combine the <a href="http://www.imaginativeamerica.com/2009/10/maps-3-looking-forward-mayor-cornett-on-the-new-convention-center/" rel="nofollow">criteria laid out by the Mayor</a> concerning proximity to existing hotels and Bricktown, with the convention goer&#8217;s criteria used by HOK, the Main Street site is an even stronger option and thus worthy of serious consideration.</p>
<p>That said, at this point I am simply a proponent of all potential sites being considered, and a site being selected based on objective criteria that targets the best interest of the city as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m aware of his plans.  Again, I am simply pointing out there are more sites to be explored than the two the mayor continues to tout.  
My preferred site is the lumber yard site, the site that was picked by the city funded study and the ULI study.  It is between the Producers co-op and the park site.  I think it is a good compromise.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m aware of his plans.  Again, I am simply pointing out there are more sites to be explored than the two the mayor continues to tout.<br />
My preferred site is the lumber yard site, the site that was picked by the city funded study and the ULI study.  It is between the Producers co-op and the park site.  I think it is a good compromise.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 14:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jonathan, Jim Thompson announced several weeks ago his plan to build an Aloft hotel on the southwest corner of 2nd and Walnut. I would think that area would now be out of the question due to a quarter of the site being taken up. Unless they plan on going up and not out, which is a possibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, Jim Thompson announced several weeks ago his plan to build an Aloft hotel on the southwest corner of 2nd and Walnut. I would think that area would now be out of the question due to a quarter of the site being taken up. Unless they plan on going up and not out, which is a possibility.</p>
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		<title>By: jbrown84</title>
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		<dc:creator>jbrown84</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 02:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Steve, not to go all metro on ya, but I suggested the Bob Howard site on OKCTalk months back and it was mostly dismissed.

Jonathan said: A better guessing game is to try to guess why the mayor keeps pushing the site south of the ford center. Is it because he believes core to shore is not viable without it?

I think this is probably the case.  Much more likely than the conspiracy theories that his buddies own that land.



Here&#039;s my idea for the main street site:

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&amp;hl=en&amp;msa=0&amp;ll=35.466769,-97.511194&amp;spn=0.007969,0.013797&amp;z=16&amp;msid=114564274036136809344.00048ce137b26f436980d

ADVANTAGES:
-immediately adjacent to Bricktown and could help jumpstart the northern edge that hasn&#039;t gone anywhere really.
-Skirvin would be immediately adjacent (via the Transit Center) and no longer have an ugly 70-era garage looming over it
-significant infill of empty lots
-one or two blocks from all downtown hotels except the Courtyard, which benefits from Ford Center
-new Aloft would be adjacent as well
-ideal location for combination w/ Transit Center
-could serve to link Bricktown and Deep Deuce better

DISADVANTAGES:
-or it could become too much of a barrier between the two districts
-definitely would block some/all views
-too small?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, not to go all metro on ya, but I suggested the Bob Howard site on OKCTalk months back and it was mostly dismissed.</p>
<p>Jonathan said: A better guessing game is to try to guess why the mayor keeps pushing the site south of the ford center. Is it because he believes core to shore is not viable without it?</p>
<p>I think this is probably the case.  Much more likely than the conspiracy theories that his buddies own that land.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my idea for the main street site:</p>
<p><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&#038;hl=en&#038;msa=0&#038;ll=35.466769,-97.511194&#038;spn=0.007969,0.013797&#038;z=16&#038;msid=114564274036136809344.00048ce137b26f436980d" rel="nofollow">http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&#038;hl=en&#038;msa=0&#038;ll=35.466769,-97.511194&#038;spn=0.007969,0.013797&#038;z=16&#038;msid=114564274036136809344.00048ce137b26f436980d</a></p>
<p>ADVANTAGES:<br />
-immediately adjacent to Bricktown and could help jumpstart the northern edge that hasn&#8217;t gone anywhere really.<br />
-Skirvin would be immediately adjacent (via the Transit Center) and no longer have an ugly 70-era garage looming over it<br />
-significant infill of empty lots<br />
-one or two blocks from all downtown hotels except the Courtyard, which benefits from Ford Center<br />
-new Aloft would be adjacent as well<br />
-ideal location for combination w/ Transit Center<br />
-could serve to link Bricktown and Deep Deuce better</p>
<p>DISADVANTAGES:<br />
-or it could become too much of a barrier between the two districts<br />
-definitely would block some/all views<br />
-too small?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 02:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main street site sits north of main street to second, from Gaylord to Mickey mantel.  I&#039;m not saying it&#039;s ideal but it does exist. I believe it was one of the 5 sites submitted by the city to be used in the first study. If I&#039;m not mistaken the city owns the parking lots there and leases them to a private party to manage. I could be wrong on that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main street site sits north of main street to second, from Gaylord to Mickey mantel.  I&#8217;m not saying it&#8217;s ideal but it does exist. I believe it was one of the 5 sites submitted by the city to be used in the first study. If I&#8217;m not mistaken the city owns the parking lots there and leases them to a private party to manage. I could be wrong on that.</p>
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