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	<title>Comments on: Coffee Talk Time Again: MAPS 3</title>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3422</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 05:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup...so, where are we at?  Is the Mayor&#039;s office, city council members, any civic/business leaders willing to go on record yet at to their thoughts and concerns?  If not, that alone says something.  There is a time for private discussion to avoid needless public squabbles and if there is actual discussion going on behind the scenes to resolve differences I could perhaps accept that...for now.  So far I have heard the Mayor publicly address some concerns, but if no other member of city government is willing to either go on record with concerns or voice their own ideas, why should we be concerned with vague and ethereal &quot;problems&quot; with the current MAPS3 ideas?  Time is beginning to run short if the Mayor&#039;s timeline is still accurate, so to use a more crude aphorism: It is put up or shut up time.

By the way, based on a previous post, turning Sante Fe station into a community welcome center for OKC would seem to be a logical idea...just expand it under the tracks to open it up a bit and give access to the other side of the railway.  There can be plenty of visitor orientation space with a small history of Bricktown/OKC museum area along with just small shops, food carts or convenience stores (like you would see in any major city rail station).  But I digress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup&#8230;so, where are we at?  Is the Mayor&#8217;s office, city council members, any civic/business leaders willing to go on record yet at to their thoughts and concerns?  If not, that alone says something.  There is a time for private discussion to avoid needless public squabbles and if there is actual discussion going on behind the scenes to resolve differences I could perhaps accept that&#8230;for now.  So far I have heard the Mayor publicly address some concerns, but if no other member of city government is willing to either go on record with concerns or voice their own ideas, why should we be concerned with vague and ethereal &#8220;problems&#8221; with the current MAPS3 ideas?  Time is beginning to run short if the Mayor&#8217;s timeline is still accurate, so to use a more crude aphorism: It is put up or shut up time.</p>
<p>By the way, based on a previous post, turning Sante Fe station into a community welcome center for OKC would seem to be a logical idea&#8230;just expand it under the tracks to open it up a bit and give access to the other side of the railway.  There can be plenty of visitor orientation space with a small history of Bricktown/OKC museum area along with just small shops, food carts or convenience stores (like you would see in any major city rail station).  But I digress.</p>
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		<title>By: steve lackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3421</link>
		<dc:creator>steve lackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:29:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re asking if there will be a full and open discussion of our city&#039;s future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re asking if there will be a full and open discussion of our city&#8217;s future.</p>
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		<title>By: Brent</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3438</link>
		<dc:creator>Brent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 04:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over the weekend I caught the repeat of Mayor Cornett&#039;s Mayor&#039;s Development Roundtable from May on city TV...yes it was a slow weekend.  In any event, the interesting part to me was that the Mayor had the following timeline for a MAPS3 vote: the MAPS3 proposal to the community would be unveiled in October and the vote would have to be in December in order to meet the timeline of extending the tax when it expires March 31.

With that in mind, my questions would be: Is this timeline still on the board?  Who is currently putting together the MAPS3 proposal?  Are there city council meetings being held either openly or in the background to resolve any differences of opinion between council members, civic leaders, Mayor&#039;s office, etc.?  Is public input still being actively sought by any person at the city level, and if so, by whom (a natural venue would be the MAPS3.org site, but this site no longer appears to be active)?  Will there be any town hall-style meetings on MAPS3 for the public to be able to voice any ideas/concerns?  If a member of the public wanted to get involved in some capacity with MAPS3 is there any current means of doing so?  I probably have a dozen other questions about how the process alone is currently being run, not to mention the actual ideas out there, but I&#039;ll leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the weekend I caught the repeat of Mayor Cornett&#8217;s Mayor&#8217;s Development Roundtable from May on city TV&#8230;yes it was a slow weekend.  In any event, the interesting part to me was that the Mayor had the following timeline for a MAPS3 vote: the MAPS3 proposal to the community would be unveiled in October and the vote would have to be in December in order to meet the timeline of extending the tax when it expires March 31.</p>
<p>With that in mind, my questions would be: Is this timeline still on the board?  Who is currently putting together the MAPS3 proposal?  Are there city council meetings being held either openly or in the background to resolve any differences of opinion between council members, civic leaders, Mayor&#8217;s office, etc.?  Is public input still being actively sought by any person at the city level, and if so, by whom (a natural venue would be the MAPS3.org site, but this site no longer appears to be active)?  Will there be any town hall-style meetings on MAPS3 for the public to be able to voice any ideas/concerns?  If a member of the public wanted to get involved in some capacity with MAPS3 is there any current means of doing so?  I probably have a dozen other questions about how the process alone is currently being run, not to mention the actual ideas out there, but I&#8217;ll leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: KJ</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3437</link>
		<dc:creator>KJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda all the MAPS 3 ideas. Im for anything that makes OKC look better. I kinda wish they could add more recreational things downtown or in bricktown though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda all the MAPS 3 ideas. Im for anything that makes OKC look better. I kinda wish they could add more recreational things downtown or in bricktown though.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Loudenback</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3436</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Loudenback</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kinda looks like everyone here but me KNOWS what they want and minds are already made up. But not me. I&#039;ll fish around elsewhere and see if I can find something useful for the likes of myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kinda looks like everyone here but me KNOWS what they want and minds are already made up. But not me. I&#8217;ll fish around elsewhere and see if I can find something useful for the likes of myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3435</link>
		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 12:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A convention center that is not connected to Bricktown, would sink Bricktown long term. MAPS should be about enhancing what we already have, not destroying it. Bricktown isn&#039;t perfect, but you CAN NOT ignore the public and private investment already made.
&quot;Ready, Fire, Aim&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A convention center that is not connected to Bricktown, would sink Bricktown long term. MAPS should be about enhancing what we already have, not destroying it. Bricktown isn&#8217;t perfect, but you CAN NOT ignore the public and private investment already made.<br />
&#8220;Ready, Fire, Aim&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: LJ</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3434</link>
		<dc:creator>LJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 11:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Downtown Park, Convention Center, and Transit are all good ideas for the next MAPS vote. Any more than that I am not so sure of liking. I could be convinced of a canal extension, however.

1. I don&#039;t like the overall size of the proposed downtown park. I have never heard of a reason that this park can&#039;t be much, much larger. If the city were to buy every square foot of land in south of I-40 to the river would be best. Build a PGA style golf course, fishing ponds, a beach area, horse trails, dog parks, kids playgrounds, nature center, sports areas, etc.

2. I am not sure about the location of the convention center. I believe that the &quot;Cotton Gin Location&quot; makes more sense.

3. The transit needs to be very detailed to get my vote. Something small, would be a good start. Build confidence in the system then look to expand.

4. A Canal extension sounds good, but the existing Canal has so much wasted space (parking lots, vacant canal hill, blighted canal level buildings, poor designs by Residence Inn), that sits there year after year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Downtown Park, Convention Center, and Transit are all good ideas for the next MAPS vote. Any more than that I am not so sure of liking. I could be convinced of a canal extension, however.</p>
<p>1. I don&#8217;t like the overall size of the proposed downtown park. I have never heard of a reason that this park can&#8217;t be much, much larger. If the city were to buy every square foot of land in south of I-40 to the river would be best. Build a PGA style golf course, fishing ponds, a beach area, horse trails, dog parks, kids playgrounds, nature center, sports areas, etc.</p>
<p>2. I am not sure about the location of the convention center. I believe that the &#8220;Cotton Gin Location&#8221; makes more sense.</p>
<p>3. The transit needs to be very detailed to get my vote. Something small, would be a good start. Build confidence in the system then look to expand.</p>
<p>4. A Canal extension sounds good, but the existing Canal has so much wasted space (parking lots, vacant canal hill, blighted canal level buildings, poor designs by Residence Inn), that sits there year after year.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Bryant</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3433</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Bryant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 03:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Light rail is being discussed with other nearby municipalities through the auspices of ACOG. MAPS 3 cannot really fund light rail because MAPS only involves Oklahoma City proper. A light rail system will likely get mixed funding from federal, state, and municipal sources.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Light rail is being discussed with other nearby municipalities through the auspices of ACOG. MAPS 3 cannot really fund light rail because MAPS only involves Oklahoma City proper. A light rail system will likely get mixed funding from federal, state, and municipal sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Vincent</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2009/07/07/coffee-talk-time-again-maps-3/comment-page-1/#comment-3432</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Vincent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DART wasn&#039;t built in one chunk; neither were the successful transit systems in our competitor cities.  We need one leg of commuter service for proof-of-concept, plus the downtown circulator a la Jeff Bezdek.  That will be nowhere near a billion, more like $250 million.

The mayor is right about needing to do this soon, if we want to keep doing MAPS at all.  Once we drop the tax for a while, reinstating it would truly be a tax increase, and harder to sell.

The mayor is wrong about keeping his plans close to his vest.  The city council, the media, and the public need to be involved.

A plan with no council/public input is at risk of failure, as is a plan that spends more on the developers (convention center) than on the people (transit).  The central park concept is obviously a boon to developers, but the public might see it as a great place for them too.  Also, a transit plan with no commuter portion is only a sop to those residents who want transit and have been working for it for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DART wasn&#8217;t built in one chunk; neither were the successful transit systems in our competitor cities.  We need one leg of commuter service for proof-of-concept, plus the downtown circulator a la Jeff Bezdek.  That will be nowhere near a billion, more like $250 million.</p>
<p>The mayor is right about needing to do this soon, if we want to keep doing MAPS at all.  Once we drop the tax for a while, reinstating it would truly be a tax increase, and harder to sell.</p>
<p>The mayor is wrong about keeping his plans close to his vest.  The city council, the media, and the public need to be involved.</p>
<p>A plan with no council/public input is at risk of failure, as is a plan that spends more on the developers (convention center) than on the people (transit).  The central park concept is obviously a boon to developers, but the public might see it as a great place for them too.  Also, a transit plan with no commuter portion is only a sop to those residents who want transit and have been working for it for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 02:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Transit&quot; is not light rail.  A DART-style system is not being contemplated, rather a way to efficiently get people to &amp; from key CBD nodes.  Light rail is not in the MAPS-3 picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Transit&#8221; is not light rail.  A DART-style system is not being contemplated, rather a way to efficiently get people to &amp; from key CBD nodes.  Light rail is not in the MAPS-3 picture.</p>
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