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	<title>Comments on: Blank Walls</title>
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	<description>The Oklahoman&#039;s Steve Lackmeyer covers downtown OKC brick by brick.</description>
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		<title>By: William Whyte and the Public Space</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-729</link>
		<dc:creator>William Whyte and the Public Space</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 20:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] We&#8217;ve discussed the ideas of William Whyte before, most recently in August following the release of designs for the new Devon Energy tower. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] We&#8217;ve discussed the ideas of William Whyte before, most recently in August following the release of designs for the new Devon Energy tower. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: More on SandRidge Energy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-728</link>
		<dc:creator>More on SandRidge Energy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] The NYC architectural firm Rogers Marvel Architects are big followers of urban planner William Whyte and say they&#8217;re well aware of past mistakes made downtown where towers were built with large [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The NYC architectural firm Rogers Marvel Architects are big followers of urban planner William Whyte and say they&#8217;re well aware of past mistakes made downtown where towers were built with large [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-727</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 05:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that the retail on the ground floor, unlike w/ Leadership Square, will at least be visible through the glass front of the podium.  They show seating indoors and outdoors along there as well, so it should bring people in and out.  Also, unlike Leadership&#039;s setup, this could be left open beyond corporate business hours, because of its separation from the actual tower.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that the retail on the ground floor, unlike w/ Leadership Square, will at least be visible through the glass front of the podium.  They show seating indoors and outdoors along there as well, so it should bring people in and out.  Also, unlike Leadership&#8217;s setup, this could be left open beyond corporate business hours, because of its separation from the actual tower.</p>
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		<title>By: slackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-726</link>
		<dc:creator>slackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no doubt that Devon is planning retail and restaurants. But will they be mostly within the building, similiar to Leadership Square, or will they face out onto the street?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that Devon is planning retail and restaurants. But will they be mostly within the building, similiar to Leadership Square, or will they face out onto the street?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-725</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Steve,

Really great thoughts - and well worth asking. I hope those on the Urban renewal authority are thinking through these aspects of our street life as well. Have you seen James Kunstler&#039;s speech on the tragedy of suburbia?

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/james_howard_kunstler_dissects_suburbia.html

It&#039;s well worth checking out and ties in, I think, to the discussion.

My two cents - cities worked great for thousands of years when people live, worked, and played in an area where everything was mixed together. It wasn&#039;t until post war America that the traditional idea of cities were abandoned - we separated out all the pieces, grew out and not up through the Interstate highway system and overall built places that were antiseptic and not worth caring about. Robert Moses tried to do this to New York and succeeded in many ways (except for in Greenwich Village, of course). Anyway, I have high hopes for the Devon Tower, and how it ties into the Myriad and C2S.

Cheers,

Michael]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve,</p>
<p>Really great thoughts &#8211; and well worth asking. I hope those on the Urban renewal authority are thinking through these aspects of our street life as well. Have you seen James Kunstler&#8217;s speech on the tragedy of suburbia?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/james_howard_kunstler_dissects_suburbia.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/james_howard_kunstler_dissects_suburbia.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s well worth checking out and ties in, I think, to the discussion.</p>
<p>My two cents &#8211; cities worked great for thousands of years when people live, worked, and played in an area where everything was mixed together. It wasn&#8217;t until post war America that the traditional idea of cities were abandoned &#8211; we separated out all the pieces, grew out and not up through the Interstate highway system and overall built places that were antiseptic and not worth caring about. Robert Moses tried to do this to New York and succeeded in many ways (except for in Greenwich Village, of course). Anyway, I have high hopes for the Devon Tower, and how it ties into the Myriad and C2S.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Michael</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Dawg</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-724</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As to your reply (#2), yes, I&#039;m pretty sure that Jon Pickard said as much, which is part of why I said what I did in the 1st part of (b), above. The remainder of that part of (b) (I should have added a (c) was that, even if (b) didn&#039;t have the &quot;street presence&quot; that Michael argues for, it&#039;s still a great development, regardless, in my opinion.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As to your reply (#2), yes, I&#8217;m pretty sure that Jon Pickard said as much, which is part of why I said what I did in the 1st part of (b), above. The remainder of that part of (b) (I should have added a (c) was that, even if (b) didn&#8217;t have the &#8220;street presence&#8221; that Michael argues for, it&#8217;s still a great development, regardless, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Shane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 20:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Didn&#039;t I read that they wanted to put restaurants and stuff in the atrium? That would mean there has to be some retail space. I would like to see stuff like that along the base of the podium. Surely out of 1,9 million square feet we could have a few thousand square feet of retail. And I think Nichols truly understands that.

Even in MidAmerica tower, which isn&#039;t that great, Devon has kept the landscaping so beautiful that I feel their building has a great street presence walking by. There are always people using the benches and stuff out there too. The park will be a great gathering place, and even better with retail in the podium.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t I read that they wanted to put restaurants and stuff in the atrium? That would mean there has to be some retail space. I would like to see stuff like that along the base of the podium. Surely out of 1,9 million square feet we could have a few thousand square feet of retail. And I think Nichols truly understands that.</p>
<p>Even in MidAmerica tower, which isn&#8217;t that great, Devon has kept the landscaping so beautiful that I feel their building has a great street presence walking by. There are always people using the benches and stuff out there too. The park will be a great gathering place, and even better with retail in the podium.</p>
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		<title>By: JeffB</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-722</link>
		<dc:creator>JeffB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I also wouldn&#039;t be so quick to dismiss what Michael is trying to articulate. I believe the key word in his post is &quot;vitality.&quot; You can have a great building, which brings people to work downtown, but if you do not provide for a properly designed interface at the street level, the building and the potential vitality all those workers bring to an area can be nullified.

To provide vitality and activity at the street level you need four basic elements: buildings placed at the edge of the street with active uses at the ground floor, physical (entryways) and visual (transparency) access directly onto the sidewalk (not into the building or parking structure), on-street parking for convenient access to those uses, and a properly designed pedestrian zones with wide sidewalks and pedestrian oriented design elements (street trees, lights, furniture). These basic elements alone generate pedestrian activity at the street level. It also helps if the first floor architecture incorporates human scaled design.

No matter how exciting a project is for an area, if you do not pay attention to activity, uses,  and design at the street level, you can effectively kill the excitement and vitality of an area, even on one block. We&#039;ve all been to places in successful downtowns where one block can be filled with diners enjoying lunch at a street cafe and the next block is dead because the building does not respond to the street.

The Devon project will set the standard for renovations and new projects in downtown OKC and it is important that they introduce life at the street level rather than just providing for a beautiful repository of workers who drive into the building and never leave their car.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also wouldn&#8217;t be so quick to dismiss what Michael is trying to articulate. I believe the key word in his post is &#8220;vitality.&#8221; You can have a great building, which brings people to work downtown, but if you do not provide for a properly designed interface at the street level, the building and the potential vitality all those workers bring to an area can be nullified.</p>
<p>To provide vitality and activity at the street level you need four basic elements: buildings placed at the edge of the street with active uses at the ground floor, physical (entryways) and visual (transparency) access directly onto the sidewalk (not into the building or parking structure), on-street parking for convenient access to those uses, and a properly designed pedestrian zones with wide sidewalks and pedestrian oriented design elements (street trees, lights, furniture). These basic elements alone generate pedestrian activity at the street level. It also helps if the first floor architecture incorporates human scaled design.</p>
<p>No matter how exciting a project is for an area, if you do not pay attention to activity, uses,  and design at the street level, you can effectively kill the excitement and vitality of an area, even on one block. We&#8217;ve all been to places in successful downtowns where one block can be filled with diners enjoying lunch at a street cafe and the next block is dead because the building does not respond to the street.</p>
<p>The Devon project will set the standard for renovations and new projects in downtown OKC and it is important that they introduce life at the street level rather than just providing for a beautiful repository of workers who drive into the building and never leave their car.</p>
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		<title>By: slackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-721</link>
		<dc:creator>slackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me just add, for all we know, this might just be part of the plan. But it&#039;s not something I&#039;ve heard or seen so far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me just add, for all we know, this might just be part of the plan. But it&#8217;s not something I&#8217;ve heard or seen so far.</p>
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		<title>By: slackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/08/23/blank-walls/comment-page-1/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>slackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 18:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, before just dismissing what MIchael has to say, let&#039;s look at the top photo. Wouldn&#039;t it be possible to have a retail presence along the first floor of the podium, opening out into the park? Imagine a restaurant in part of that space, with patio dining (in good weather, obviously) looking into the new Devon park. Maybe there could be florist, or drug store, or convenience store, or a card shop....or all of the above. In such a massive building, would it be that difficult to have that sort of activity fronting the park and creating a livelier place? Maybe the city could even add some curbside parking spots along that stretch of Sheridan. All things to think about now, rather than later, don&#039;t you think?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, before just dismissing what MIchael has to say, let&#8217;s look at the top photo. Wouldn&#8217;t it be possible to have a retail presence along the first floor of the podium, opening out into the park? Imagine a restaurant in part of that space, with patio dining (in good weather, obviously) looking into the new Devon park. Maybe there could be florist, or drug store, or convenience store, or a card shop&#8230;.or all of the above. In such a massive building, would it be that difficult to have that sort of activity fronting the park and creating a livelier place? Maybe the city could even add some curbside parking spots along that stretch of Sheridan. All things to think about now, rather than later, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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