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	<title>Comments on: Horse Feathers!</title>
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	<description>The Oklahoman&#039;s Steve Lackmeyer covers downtown OKC brick by brick.</description>
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		<title>By: Jess M.</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/07/14/horse-feathers/comment-page-1/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 02:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t block the progression, it&#039;s new and people don&#039;t adapt well to change sometimes.  Also, I can&#039;t talk about the rest of the paper, but the sports columns really has a lot to be desired.  They continually write about rumors and fact-less based stories.  I&#039;m tired of reading highschool newspaper quality writing in a state newspaper.  Also writing stories over and over, we read it, time to find a new topic!  Stop with the slang, jargon, stupid nicknames and poor grammar.  Go out get some facts, interview people and print something worth reading.  Tramel is a joke and so is a few others on the sports staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t block the progression, it&#8217;s new and people don&#8217;t adapt well to change sometimes.  Also, I can&#8217;t talk about the rest of the paper, but the sports columns really has a lot to be desired.  They continually write about rumors and fact-less based stories.  I&#8217;m tired of reading highschool newspaper quality writing in a state newspaper.  Also writing stories over and over, we read it, time to find a new topic!  Stop with the slang, jargon, stupid nicknames and poor grammar.  Go out get some facts, interview people and print something worth reading.  Tramel is a joke and so is a few others on the sports staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/07/14/horse-feathers/comment-page-1/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tramel is a drain on the poorly run Oklahoman. It&#039;s sad when the paper can&#039;t take journalistic integrity as well and state they have an interest in certain businesses when writing stories, etc. Tramel would have better luck throwing a dart on a dartboard then getting his predictions correct. He&#039;s a crybaby looking for a scapegoat because he&#039;s not willing to adapt to 21st century technology aka the internet &quot;new media&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tramel is a drain on the poorly run Oklahoman. It&#8217;s sad when the paper can&#8217;t take journalistic integrity as well and state they have an interest in certain businesses when writing stories, etc. Tramel would have better luck throwing a dart on a dartboard then getting his predictions correct. He&#8217;s a crybaby looking for a scapegoat because he&#8217;s not willing to adapt to 21st century technology aka the internet &#8220;new media&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: slackmeyer</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/07/14/horse-feathers/comment-page-1/#comment-461</link>
		<dc:creator>slackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope... don&#039;t repost....spam filter sometimes gets too aggressive... hold on....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope&#8230; don&#8217;t repost&#8230;.spam filter sometimes gets too aggressive&#8230; hold on&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Dawg</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/07/14/horse-feathers/comment-page-1/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve posted a lengthier comment but somehow it didn&#039;t stick. I&#039;ve saved the text and can repost, if desired.</description>
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		<title>By: Doug Dawg</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/07/14/horse-feathers/comment-page-1/#comment-457</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I don&#039;t think you&#039;re right when you say that Berry&#039;s issues stemmed from a sports message board, though I may be mistaken. That will be explained in the remainder of this comment.

Tom,

I understand what you are saying about Berry Tramel&#039;s video being an &quot;editorial piece.&quot; Frankly, some of his articles during the Hornet&#039;s stay here (front page once or twice, as I recall) didn&#039;t pan out, even though stated as &quot;fact&quot; (I&#039;m thinking about a deal being struck with Geo. Shinn about the Hornets ownership) might also be deemed &quot;editorial&quot; pieces, as it turned out. The point is, it&#039;s hard to distinguish between editorials and &quot;fact&quot; reporting, sometime.

In any event, it must be acknowledged that, as member of the Fourth Estate, press reporters have much more &quot;stature&quot; than anonymous posters at talk forums do; with that stature comes a degree of responsibility, I think, to speak carefully and responsibly.

All this is aside from the fact that &quot;press&quot; reporters did not check out their sources when assuming that what THEY read on the internet was fact. The fake website wasn&#039;t even a &quot;talk forum&quot; ... it was just a fake website which someone set up on his own and which some members of the 4th estate in Texas didn&#039;t bother to check out before &quot;running&quot; with the story. Who&#039;s responsible for that (by category), the print media or some talk forum?

More, I rather doubt that the constitutional &quot;press&quot; protections would likely extend to anonymous or or non-anonymous posters on talk forums, but that&#039;s just my guess.

None of what I&#039;ve said is meant to excuse ANYONE from the responsibility associated with what they publish, be that on-line or in the print media. But, somehow, I&#039;d like to think and hope that those in the print media would be very sensitive to the trust and responsibility which has been historically and constitutionally theirs -- not to mention sensitivity to their own credibility and how their &quot;fact&quot; reports will be regarded, when they don&#039;t.

If any of what I&#039;ve said makes any sense at all.

Doug Loudenback</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re right when you say that Berry&#8217;s issues stemmed from a sports message board, though I may be mistaken. That will be explained in the remainder of this comment.</p>
<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I understand what you are saying about Berry Tramel&#8217;s video being an &#8220;editorial piece.&#8221; Frankly, some of his articles during the Hornet&#8217;s stay here (front page once or twice, as I recall) didn&#8217;t pan out, even though stated as &#8220;fact&#8221; (I&#8217;m thinking about a deal being struck with Geo. Shinn about the Hornets ownership) might also be deemed &#8220;editorial&#8221; pieces, as it turned out. The point is, it&#8217;s hard to distinguish between editorials and &#8220;fact&#8221; reporting, sometime.</p>
<p>In any event, it must be acknowledged that, as member of the Fourth Estate, press reporters have much more &#8220;stature&#8221; than anonymous posters at talk forums do; with that stature comes a degree of responsibility, I think, to speak carefully and responsibly.</p>
<p>All this is aside from the fact that &#8220;press&#8221; reporters did not check out their sources when assuming that what THEY read on the internet was fact. The fake website wasn&#8217;t even a &#8220;talk forum&#8221; &#8230; it was just a fake website which someone set up on his own and which some members of the 4th estate in Texas didn&#8217;t bother to check out before &#8220;running&#8221; with the story. Who&#8217;s responsible for that (by category), the print media or some talk forum?</p>
<p>More, I rather doubt that the constitutional &#8220;press&#8221; protections would likely extend to anonymous or or non-anonymous posters on talk forums, but that&#8217;s just my guess.</p>
<p>None of what I&#8217;ve said is meant to excuse ANYONE from the responsibility associated with what they publish, be that on-line or in the print media. But, somehow, I&#8217;d like to think and hope that those in the print media would be very sensitive to the trust and responsibility which has been historically and constitutionally theirs &#8212; not to mention sensitivity to their own credibility and how their &#8220;fact&#8221; reports will be regarded, when they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If any of what I&#8217;ve said makes any sense at all.</p>
<p>Doug Loudenback</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Dawg</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/okccentral/2008/07/14/horse-feathers/comment-page-1/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>Doug Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 20:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

I understand what you are saying about Berry Tramel&#039;s video being an &quot;editorial piece.&quot; Frankly, some of his articles during the Hornet&#039;s stay here (front page once or twice, as I recall) didn&#039;t pan out, even though stated as &quot;fact&quot; (I&#039;m thinking about a deal being struck with Geo. Shinn about the Hornets ownership). The point is, it&#039;s hard to distinguish between editorials and &quot;fact&quot; reporting, sometime.

In any event, it must be acknowledged that, as member of the Fourth Estate, press reporters have much more &quot;stature&quot; than anonymous posters at talk forums do; with that stature comes a degree of responsibility, I think, to speak responsibly.

All this is aside from the fact that &quot;press&quot; reporters did not check out their sources when assuming that what THEY read on the internet was fact. The fake website wasn&#039;t even a &quot;talk forum&quot; ... it was just a fake website which someone set up on his own and which the 4th estate in Texas didn&#039;t bother to check out before it &quot;ran&quot; with the story. Who&#039;s responsible for that (by category), the print media or some talk forum?

More, I rather doubt that the constitutional &quot;press&quot; protections would likely extend to anonymous or or non-anonymous posters on talk forums, but that&#039;s just my guess.

None of what I&#039;ve said is meant to excuse ANYONE from the responsibilty associated with what they publish, be that on-line or in the print media. But, somehow, I&#039;d like to think and hope that those in the print media would be very sensitive to the trust and responsibility which has been historically theirs -- not to mention sensitivity to their own credibility and how their &quot;fact&quot; reports will be regarded, when they don&#039;t.

If any of what I&#039;ve said makes any sense at all.

Doug Loudenback</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>I understand what you are saying about Berry Tramel&#8217;s video being an &#8220;editorial piece.&#8221; Frankly, some of his articles during the Hornet&#8217;s stay here (front page once or twice, as I recall) didn&#8217;t pan out, even though stated as &#8220;fact&#8221; (I&#8217;m thinking about a deal being struck with Geo. Shinn about the Hornets ownership). The point is, it&#8217;s hard to distinguish between editorials and &#8220;fact&#8221; reporting, sometime.</p>
<p>In any event, it must be acknowledged that, as member of the Fourth Estate, press reporters have much more &#8220;stature&#8221; than anonymous posters at talk forums do; with that stature comes a degree of responsibility, I think, to speak responsibly.</p>
<p>All this is aside from the fact that &#8220;press&#8221; reporters did not check out their sources when assuming that what THEY read on the internet was fact. The fake website wasn&#8217;t even a &#8220;talk forum&#8221; &#8230; it was just a fake website which someone set up on his own and which the 4th estate in Texas didn&#8217;t bother to check out before it &#8220;ran&#8221; with the story. Who&#8217;s responsible for that (by category), the print media or some talk forum?</p>
<p>More, I rather doubt that the constitutional &#8220;press&#8221; protections would likely extend to anonymous or or non-anonymous posters on talk forums, but that&#8217;s just my guess.</p>
<p>None of what I&#8217;ve said is meant to excuse ANYONE from the responsibilty associated with what they publish, be that on-line or in the print media. But, somehow, I&#8217;d like to think and hope that those in the print media would be very sensitive to the trust and responsibility which has been historically theirs &#8212; not to mention sensitivity to their own credibility and how their &#8220;fact&#8221; reports will be regarded, when they don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If any of what I&#8217;ve said makes any sense at all.</p>
<p>Doug Loudenback</p>
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		<title>By: slackmeyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>slackmeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tricky stuff there Tom. Good questions.</description>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand that some people may have issues with Barry&#039;s &quot;rant,&quot; but isn&#039;t that his prerogative in this relatively new medium to what we used to call the &quot;newspaper?&quot;  It is essentially an editorial piece, agree or disagree to your heart’s content.

What I find ironic is the criticism of him as a print reporter attempting to adapt to the on-line video format.  Would these same critics be as harsh on some of our local t.v. anchors (experienced in the electronic media format) should they were &quot;asked&quot; to write a by-line for publication?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand that some people may have issues with Barry&#8217;s &#8220;rant,&#8221; but isn&#8217;t that his prerogative in this relatively new medium to what we used to call the &#8220;newspaper?&#8221;  It is essentially an editorial piece, agree or disagree to your heart’s content.</p>
<p>What I find ironic is the criticism of him as a print reporter attempting to adapt to the on-line video format.  Would these same critics be as harsh on some of our local t.v. anchors (experienced in the electronic media format) should they were &#8220;asked&#8221; to write a by-line for publication?</p>
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		<title>By: Robino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t believe my ears, or eyes, watching the Tramel video posted on another of my favorite OKC blogs.  I&#039;ve respected Berry as a columnist for years, but, to me, that rant was completely off base, and passionately (see: hatefully) so.

I&#039;ll write off this flagrant foul as a n00B mistake, and give him the benefit of the doubt (I think he&#039;s earned it) , but it won&#039;t be easy.  And obviously I&#039;ll have to at least consider using that video in the future as an extreme, local example of how not to present yourself online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t believe my ears, or eyes, watching the Tramel video posted on another of my favorite OKC blogs.  I&#8217;ve respected Berry as a columnist for years, but, to me, that rant was completely off base, and passionately (see: hatefully) so.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll write off this flagrant foul as a n00B mistake, and give him the benefit of the doubt (I think he&#8217;s earned it) , but it won&#8217;t be easy.  And obviously I&#8217;ll have to at least consider using that video in the future as an extreme, local example of how not to present yourself online.</p>
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