Comments on: Holgorsen’s departure different than Wilson’s

By: David

David — Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:53:08 +0000

I agree with your general assessment that replacing the o-coordinators will be different. However, OU drastically changed their passing game just this year by going to more of a short controlled passing game, almost abandoning the power running game and adopting the pistol the week before Baylor. I don’t think you can say Wilson’s offense has been in place since 2006. Personnel will or should dictate next year’s offense at both schools.The production of Hunter and Murray can’t be duplicated by “the system.” They will both look very similar but there will always be changes.

By: Jack

Jack — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 14:10:21 +0000

Tom is correct.

It is much more logical to “speculate” that Wilson with long term ties to the OU assistant coachs and the ability to hire (i.e. he’ll be the HC) would bring some OU departures with his departure.

Dana will be OC at WV so no hiring power and only a 1 year relationship with OSU assistants. Not a very logical “speculation” that Dana would get OSU coachs to depart.

But, if you con’t care about logic and would rather just stir the pot . . . keep on writing.

By: Thor

Thor — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:57:17 +0000

Decent blog post. May not be perfectly right about every detail, but it still seems like it was thoughtfully and intelligently written.

On a completely different note, Jenni your observation a few weeks ago about KU’s late fall football stadium setting was correct and worth making. The stadium and its setting were, as you noted, absolutely beautiful. Bleacher Report did a slideshow on football stadiums that in their view were especially worth seeing and their list included KU’s stadium. I could see every bit of why when I was there for the KU-OSU game.

By: Richard

Richard — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 13:48:15 +0000

After-the-fact, speculation that Blackmon is likely to leave OSU and none that Broyles might leave OU is because departed OC, Wilson coached at OU longer than Holgorsen coached at OSU and because Blackmon is a much better Receiver than is Broyles?

Broyle’s is less likely to miss his mentor of 4 full years than Blackmon is to miss his of only 1 year?

The 4th year Junior is less likely to leave college early than the 3rd year Sophomore is?

Losing a Coordinator of 1 year is potentially more devistating than losing a Cooridnator of 4 years?

Losing the Coordinator that directed the Championship Offense is a lot less devistating to a program than losing a Coordinator whose Offense came in down the ranks is?

All kinds of comparasions including the what if variety were made throughout the season equating the two Receivers but now in defense of your speculative opine, Blackmon is clearly in a different league altogether?

Jenni, you’re thoughts, feelings, and opinion are your own and there’s nothing wrong the expression of those thoughts, feelings, and opinions reflecting your personal bias’ even if that reflextion was Freudian and unintended. Just be honest about those bias’.

You envisioned Holgorsen’s departure as the first of many dominoes to fall at OSU implying pending doom and envisioned Wilson’s departure at OU as having no negative effect what-so-ever at OU in comparison. It is what it is. No two ways about it, those thoughts, feelings, and opnions reflect your own personal bias’. It’s much easier for you to see doom in OSU’s future than it is OU’s because that’s what you’d prefer to see.

By: JD

JD — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 12:40:02 +0000

Wow. Here’s the difference Jenni. You/OU fans/75% of the state HOPE that holgerson’s departure leaves a big void. You HOPE that Blackmon and Weeden would follow suit. You HOPE that the cowboy ship goes down like the Hindenberg.

Holgerson was great. Maybe the best in the game. I called that when I was sitting in the stands watching his Houston offense dismantle Osu in ’09. But it’s not like now that he’s gone Gundy is going to implement the double wing to
run the veer. If Weeden and or Blackmon decide to came back they’re still going to be the focal point of the offense and they’re gonna put up huge numbers again. If they decide that declaring early is their best option then who could blame them. But it will be for a lot of rea$on$ the least of which being who’s calling the pass plays.

Either way life goes on in Stillwater. With or without Dana Holgerson, Justin Blackmon, or Brandon Weeden. 3 guys nobody had ever even heard of this time last year.

***

JD:
Why would I hope that? OSU folks buy a lot more papers and come onto our website a lot more when the Cowboys are winning. I want both teams to win as much as possible. If they were undefeated every year when Bedlam rolled around, I would love it.
Jenni

By: Chuck

Chuck — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 04:41:47 +0000

Why, jenny, would Blackmon leave because Holgorson is gone when Backmon was already there when Holgorson arrived? You’re making your analysis of this particular issue much too hard. It’s actually very simple. If Blackmon has good information that he would go in the first 15 picks in the draft, possibly the first round, he would consider it because anyone would. It’s simply a dollars question. No way he leaves if he’s not a very high pick due to the likelihood of a lockout by the NFL owners which is very probably going to cancel most if not all of the next NFL season. He’s better off at OSU one more year unless he gets millions guaranteed and a 7 figure signing bonus that is due regardless of the labor and owner issues. Holgorson doesn’t figure in to the decision at all.

By: robert

robert — Thu, 16 Dec 2010 00:10:04 +0000

Alright Jenni, when you state “While the Cowboys obviously have his playbook and his scheme, the other assistants haven’t really had the chance to crawl inside this offense, internalize it and made it their own.” If this isn’t just your uneducated opinion stated as fact, then where are your facts to support your statement? What information are you privy to that says the current staff couldn’t successfully run this offense if they chose? Fact or opinion/fiction?

By: Tom Wilson

Tom Wilson — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:35:31 +0000

You didn’t answer the question short or long. Every assistant wants to take coaches. What is the point of getting a HC job if you don’t give yourself the best chance to succeed? Would it not be more difficult to succeed with a entirely new staff? I imagine Stoops promotes from within to help prevent defections and hiring within is attractive to new coaches (i.e Norvall took a position job after being an OC).

This is your logic in the article. A coach with one year in the program will put away long time assistants, but a coach with six years won’t make an effort.

My logic is Miles took OSU assistants to LSU because of a personal relationship. He could have gotten others, just as qualified, but having a good working relationship is huge. Look at all the KSU guys Stoops has gotten to OU when there were plenty of other options.

I hope you can see that not explaining yourself effectively makes the paper look biased.

By: kip gwinn

kip gwinn — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:34:18 +0000

Reports back here in West virginia, are that Luck and Holgorson started talking in late October after WVU “fumbled” the Big East away.

By: Oldtimer

Oldtimer — Wed, 15 Dec 2010 19:31:33 +0000

El Prezis correct, only in Tulsa Pat Jones was talking about Luck and DH talking as early as JUne.

WVU was wanting to get rid of Stewart and Luck and Holgersen are connected through their time in Houston. Luck can’t just fire a loyal guy who worst season was 9-4 so they have concocted this 1 year coach in waiting crap.

If it is true, then I must question the integrity of both Luck and DH. If it is some recently hatched plan by Luck, then I think both men are deceiving themselves that this will work – considering Stewart and the rest of the staff’s lameduck status.

I don’t believe there were any rumors about Wilson scheming to replace anyone or even soliciting offers to leave.