Comments on: SMQ: Mustang vs. Southmoore… http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/ Oklahoma High School Sports News, Stats, Pictures, Videos and Information Thu, 16 Feb 2012 14:55:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Mike http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7758 Mike Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:05:39 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7758 Steve Smith, I said he had to contact the ball so my reply would be correct, not 'flat out incorrect'. My point about the rugby kick or if he takes off running is that it makes the roughing not so cut and dried and open for judgement to the officials. Such as, "Was he in the process of being tackled before attempting to kick the ball?" As for understanding the rules, I never claimed to be a 'rules expert', but being an official, you know everything has some gray area to it; even you quibbled with a call in your #3 comment. If you call me out by name, you should read my entire comment. I said that I was a disinterested observer and had no leaning to either team. I believe the game WAS well called. As an official, maybe YOU should pay closer attention to detail. Steve Smith, I said he had to contact the ball so my reply would be correct, not ‘flat out incorrect’. My point about the rugby kick or if he takes off running is that it makes the roughing not so cut and dried and open for judgement to the officials. Such as, “Was he in the process of being tackled before attempting to kick the ball?” As for understanding the rules, I never claimed to be a ‘rules expert’, but being an official, you know everything has some gray area to it; even you quibbled with a call in your #3 comment. If you call me out by name, you should read my entire comment. I said that I was a disinterested observer and had no leaning to either team. I believe the game WAS well called. As an official, maybe YOU should pay closer attention to detail.

]]> By: Steve Smith http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7753 Steve Smith Mon, 09 Nov 2009 22:22:35 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7753 I am a college official and an observer for the state. Please make sure that you understand that the high school rules are different than the college rules which are different than the NFL rules. Buy a copy of the hs rule book from the NFHS on-line and you'll finally understand the rules, which are very different. On your comments: 1) In high school football, the punter is protected as long as he is attempting to kick the ball. It does not matter if he was trying to run, or bobbled the snap, or anything else for that matter. If in the act of kicking, he is contacted by an opposing player (and that opposing player does not touch the ball), then it is roughing the kicker. Period. Like the rule or not, that is what it is so Mike, Dave Dunn and Buckaroo, you are flat our incorrect. 2) Officials never receive assignments for teams in back to back weeks. This officiating crew had had both Mustang and Southmoore earlier in the season (Mustang versus Ed Santa Fe and Southmoore versus PC North). So, Andrea you are wrong as well. 3)The defensive pass interference was a correct call because the defender was face guarding and he contacted the receiver while the ball was in the air. Watch the replay from Cox on that one. It clearly happens. Shoukld it have been called....was their an advantage gained by the defender? In my personal opinion, no. But, by the rule, it was correct. 4) The penalties were even between the two teams and most of them were false start or offsides penalties. it hardly seems fair to say the officials controlled the game when only two calls are in question and both of them were called correctly. In general, understand the rules before you try to sound like you are some sort of rules expert. Just because your team wins or loses should not determine your opinion on how well the officials did working the ballgame. I am a college official and an observer for the state. Please make sure that you understand that the high school rules are different than the college rules which are different than the NFL rules. Buy a copy of the hs rule book from the NFHS on-line and you’ll finally understand the rules, which are very different.

On your comments:

1) In high school football, the punter is protected as long as he is attempting to kick the ball. It does not matter if he was trying to run, or bobbled the snap, or anything else for that matter. If in the act of kicking, he is contacted by an opposing player (and that opposing player does not touch the ball), then it is roughing the kicker. Period. Like the rule or not, that is what it is so Mike, Dave Dunn and Buckaroo, you are flat our incorrect.

2) Officials never receive assignments for teams in back to back weeks. This officiating crew had had both Mustang and Southmoore earlier in the season (Mustang versus Ed Santa Fe and Southmoore versus PC North). So, Andrea you are wrong as well.

3)The defensive pass interference was a correct call because the defender was face guarding and he contacted the receiver while the ball was in the air. Watch the replay from Cox on that one. It clearly happens. Shoukld it have been called….was their an advantage gained by the defender? In my personal opinion, no. But, by the rule, it was correct.

4) The penalties were even between the two teams and most of them were false start or offsides penalties. it hardly seems fair to say the officials controlled the game when only two calls are in question and both of them were called correctly.

In general, understand the rules before you try to sound like you are some sort of rules expert. Just because your team wins or loses should not determine your opinion on how well the officials did working the ballgame.

]]> By: Mike http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7744 Mike Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:39:23 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7744 Dave, I don't know where you're getting your rules. He is fair game if you make contact with the ball. If he gets the punt off clean, he still cannot be touched. If he tries to run or rugby kick that is another story. That was not the case. A simple bobble does not make you fair game to be hit with impunity. If it was there would be chaos and numerous injured punters. Again, it was a very blockable punt. Why hit the man when you should go for the ball? Dave, I don’t know where you’re getting your rules. He is fair game if you make contact with the ball. If he gets the punt off clean, he still cannot be touched. If he tries to run or rugby kick that is another story. That was not the case. A simple bobble does not make you fair game to be hit with impunity. If it was there would be chaos and numerous injured punters. Again, it was a very blockable punt. Why hit the man when you should go for the ball?

]]> By: Greg p http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7742 Greg p Sun, 08 Nov 2009 21:49:22 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7742 Southmoore=DISTRICT CHAMPS!!! GO SABERCATS!!!!!!!!!! Southmoore=DISTRICT CHAMPS!!! GO SABERCATS!!!!!!!!!!

]]> By: Dave http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7739 Dave Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:23:43 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7739 "Mike" read the rules... if a punter drops the ball he is fair game and can be tackled! And BTW I do agree with you about a few select fan's behaviour, it didn't set a very good example for the younger folks in attendance. I'd say "Sour Grapes" are in order! Sorry Raven “Mike” read the rules… if a punter drops the ball he is fair game and can be tackled! And BTW I do agree with you about a few select fan’s behaviour, it didn’t set a very good example for the younger folks in attendance. I’d say “Sour Grapes” are in order! Sorry Raven

]]> By: Dave http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7738 Dave Sun, 08 Nov 2009 19:13:40 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7738 "Raven" read the rules... if a punter drops the ball he is fair game and can be tackled! And BTW I do agree with you about a few select fan's behaviour, it didn't set a very good example for the younger folks in attendance. I'd say "Sour Grapes" are in order! “Raven” read the rules… if a punter drops the ball he is fair game and can be tackled! And BTW I do agree with you about a few select fan’s behaviour, it didn’t set a very good example for the younger folks in attendance. I’d say “Sour Grapes” are in order!

]]> By: raven http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7734 raven Sun, 08 Nov 2009 14:43:37 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7734 Southmoores Defense did Great! Southmoores Defense did Great!

]]> By: Mike http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7727 Mike Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:00:05 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7727 Sour grapes about the calls! The roughing penalty in question was correct. A fumbled snap can still be kicked and a roughing the kicker can be called. Only if he tries to run does it make a difference. He picked it right up and kicked and was roughed. Coaches always tell you to block the punt not the punter. It was poor form on the Mustang player. If he would have gone for the ball he probably would have blocked it. I watched the play as a disinterested outsider from the Broncos side. It always looks to be one-sided when it goes against your team. The difference to me was the conduct of a few of the Mutang fans. Now, that was the shame and embarrassment! Sour grapes about the calls! The roughing penalty in question was correct. A fumbled snap can still be kicked and a roughing the kicker can be called. Only if he tries to run does it make a difference. He picked it right up and kicked and was roughed. Coaches always tell you to block the punt not the punter. It was poor form on the Mustang player. If he would have gone for the ball he probably would have blocked it. I watched the play as a disinterested outsider from the Broncos side. It always looks to be one-sided when it goes against your team. The difference to me was the conduct of a few of the Mutang fans. Now, that was the shame and embarrassment!

]]> By: Buckaroo http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7723 Buckaroo Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:02:39 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7723 Agreed. The refs are there to control the game. When their poor calls impact the outcome, it's a shame. Let the players determine the outcome. Who knows what the final score would have been without the ridiculous interference and roughing the punter calls, but let the kids determine it. Not the refs. Agreed. The refs are there to control the game. When their poor calls impact the outcome, it’s a shame. Let the players determine the outcome. Who knows what the final score would have been without the ridiculous interference and roughing the punter calls, but let the kids determine it. Not the refs.

]]> By: Andrea http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7722 Andrea Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:42:00 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7722 I surely agree with you...mustang had the same problems with the Del City game...and just so happens that the ump was the same as the one for the Del City game..The real fun begins now and I know the Broncos will pull together and get every bit of the job done...GO BRONCOS!!!! I surely agree with you…mustang had the same problems with the Del City game…and just so happens that the ump was the same as the one for the Del City game..The real fun begins now and I know the Broncos will pull together and get every bit of the job done…GO BRONCOS!!!!

]]> By: Dave Dunn http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/2009/11/07/smq-mustang-vs-southmoore/comment-page-1/#comment-7721 Dave Dunn Sun, 08 Nov 2009 01:26:33 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/highschoolsports/?p=4926#comment-7721 It was a great game! I do however think the officiating crew really blew it and should be personally embarrassed and professionally reprimanded! They made several very questionable calls that were game changing. These things happen at this level but this seemed excessively one-sided and untimely. That's my personal rant, but what shouldn't happen is crews who don't know the rules! I believe if a punter drops the ball on the snap he becomes a runner and can be tackled, if you attempt to block the kick it can't be ruffing the kicker! I could go on and on! Let the kids play the game. It was a great game! I do however think the officiating crew really blew it and should be personally embarrassed and professionally reprimanded! They made several very questionable calls that were game changing. These things happen at this level but this seemed excessively one-sided and untimely. That’s my personal rant, but what shouldn’t happen is crews who don’t know the rules! I believe if a punter drops the ball on the snap he becomes a runner and can be tackled, if you attempt to block the kick it can’t be ruffing the kicker! I could go on and on! Let the kids play the game.

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