Update on Brenda White/Judith Elwell
Dr. Clyde Snow is one of the foremost experts on forensic anthropology in the world. Many consider him the best.
In his career, Snow has examined the remains of Pres. Kennedy, Nazi war criminal Dr. Josef Mengele, King Tut and victims of serial killer John Wayne Gacy and domestic terrorist Timothy McVeigh, among many, many others.
Snow also worked the Brenda White case and maintained an interest in the Judith Elwell case.
He talked with me today. Here’s some of what he had to say:
“I was always convinced that those cases were connected in some way,” Snow said. “Even though there were only two (victims), right away you’d think of them as (being victimized by) a serial killer. … There had been cases of serial killers before, of course, but I think the police tendency was to treat most things like that as if they were independent until they had a good series going.
“One thing that struck me was not only the age of the girls and the general description and the circumstances, but they were exactly four weeks apart on Thursdays. It’s almost like someone had Thursday afternoons off. That and some of the other things just made me believe that these were connected. We’d never had cases like that before in Oklahoma City, for two young girls to go missing that close together.
“The other thing that struck me, and I think you mentioned it in the story, was that we went out there, and we collected all the bones (of White’s body), and we found this cat skeleton. And the cat, in the vertebra, it still had a shotgun pellet. It wasn’t an old wound. It had killed the cat. … That skeleton was pretty much on top of the grave. … It occurred to me that what had happened there, and again, it’s kind of a wild theory, is that someone had been keeping an eye on that grave and came back and found that animals had disturbed it. Perhaps he shot the cat and left it deliberately on top of the grave, because if anybody did come by and smell something, they’d peek in there and see a dead cat and move on. Otherwise, you’d have to assume that the cat was shot somewhere else and by coincidence managed to crawl off and die on the grave of this young girl. … I always figured that whoever it was was somehow, in one way or another, keeping an eye on that grave.”
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Yvonne,
I would like to speak with you about your post. If you see this, please email me at lisarenfrow@gmail.com.
Brenda White was my friend Tammie’s older sister. I pray that justice is found for this little girl and her family. I have to believe that with all of today’s technological advances there still is a glimmer of hope for this happening.
DOES ANYONE KNOW WHO ..THIS .” YVONNE ” IS AND HOW WE CAN CONTACT HER ARE HER BOYFRIEND? THANKS REBECCA
HI MY NAME IS TAMMIE,BRENDA WAS MY OLDER SISTER.YVONNE OR LISA COULD EITHER OF YOU PLEASE CONTACT ME?THANKS TAMMIE
TAMMIE GOT YOUR E-MAIL THANKS I SENT YOU ONE KEEP WORKING ON THIS .WE WILL GET THERE LOVE YA,REBECCA
IF ANYONE OUT THER KNOWS HOW TO CONTACT “MARK ELWELL” , PLEASE HAVE HIM CONTACT ME, PLEASEEEEEEEEEE,THANKS REBECCA AT no_news_82_okc@yahoo.com
HEY TAMMIE READ YOUR E-MAIL I FOR GOT TO TELL YOU SOMETHIG AND IT WAS EASIER TO COME TO THIS PAGE THAN MY MAIL ,SO .THERE WAS ALSO A BEER CAN,, DO YOU KNOW WHAT COLOR THAT CAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE? I KNOW IT WAS A SKELITON BUT WAS THERE ANY FUR LEFT ON OR AROUND IT ,, I WISH THE COLD CASE PEOPLE WOULD START READING THIS MAYBE THEY WOULD GET SOME GLUES .. LATER REBECCA
HELLO I HAVE HAVE TRIED TO CONTACT LT. STEVE MC COOL AT OCPD, CONCERNING “BRENDA WHITE” HE HAS NEVER RETURNED MY PHONE CALLS . I HAVE LEFT SEVERAL MESSAGES ON THIS WEBB PAGES ..EVEN THE ONE THAT SAYS “COLD CASES HEATING UP” THE POLICE MUST NOT EVER READ THEM ,, NOT SINCE THEY FRIST LEFT THE ORIGINAL PAGES , ARE ELES THEY WOULD KNOW THAT WE ARE STILL SEARCHING AND WANT TO TALK TO THEM….THIS MORNING I CALLED FOUR NEWS , MAYBE THEY WILL TALK TO LINDA ..SHE DID AN INTERVIEW WITH ME A LITTLE OVER IO YEARS AGO . I KNOW SHE WILL HELP ME IF SHE CAN ,,, ANYONE WITH ANY INFORMATION ABOUT ‘BRENDA WHITE” ARE “JUDITH ELWELL” .PLEASE CONTACT ME no_news_82_okc@yahoo.com THANKS REBECCA ” BRENDA WHITES” COUSIN
I AM PLEASED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT AS OF THIS AFTERNOON I HAVE SPOKEN TO THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN MID WEST CITY OK,AND THE CAPTIN OF HOMICED AT THE OKLAHOMA CITY POLICE DEPT . IN OKLAHOMA CITY. I WAS VERY GREATFUL FOR THE PHONE CALLS , I LEFT A MESSAGE FOR THE CHIEF OF POLICE IN MIDWEST CITY AND LITTLE INFO .MY NAME AND WHO I WAS,AND WHAT I WANTED AND NEEDED FROM THEM AND WITH IN THE HOUR HE HAD RETURNED MY CALL. WE SPOKE BRIEFLY I TOLD HIM OF INFO,MY COUSIN ,TAMMIE AND I HAD FOUND IN THE LAST MONTH ABOUT BRENDAS CASE.HE HAD LOOKED UP HER CASE BEFOR HE EVEN CALLED ME BACK…” JUST THE KIND ON PERSON I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR”HE ALSO HAD CALLED OKLAHOMA CITY HOMICE” UNIT AND A FEW MINS LATER THE CAPTIN FROM OKLA. CITY HOMICE CALLED I WAS SO EXCIED I COULD HARDLY TALK…. I GAVE HIM WHAT INFO I HAD ,HE WAS ONLY 4 YEARS WHEN BRENDA WENT MISSING ,, BUT WAS VERY INTERSTED IN TRYING TO HELP ME SOLVE BRENDAS CASE . I WILL SPEAK WITH HIM AGAIN TOMMOROW. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EVERY ONE KEEP THE THE INFO COMMING WE WILL FIND WHO TOOK OUR “LITTLE BRENDA” WE HAVE FINALLY GOTTEN THE BACK UP THAT WE NEED FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT, AND THEY ARE WILLING TO LISTEN TO ANYTHING WE MIGHT NEED TO TELL THEM……….THANKS GUYS SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME REBECCA
I deeply hope that Brenda White’s (isn’t her middle name Lee?) killer is identified and, if living, brought to justice. I think I was about 8, living in Oklahoma City, when she was kidnapped. Her photo in the newspaper is burned into my brain. We resembled each other somewhat with our dark hair. I worried over her and the terrible experience she endured at the hands of a psychopathic killer. Since I am obviously looking on the internet now for her name to see if there is any information, it says something about how I (and others) was/were haunted by her abduction and death. Also Judith Ellwell, and later the murder of Judith Ann File. OKC has been host to a lot of murderous acts. God bless Brenda White and her family.
I was 5 yrs old and lived on Bellview when Brenda White was taken. The police tried to take me in their patrol car when I was in my yard and said my name was Brenda. Her death has touched my heart my whole life. I pray that her will be solved one day.
This Brenda White story has bothered me most my life now. I think about her often and really have no reason to. I was only 4 when this happened to her but something that was said when I was 14 or 15 years old has stuck with me all these years. I did not ever see the story on the news and I had no idea they had even found her body until today when I decided to look up her name. Anyhow, when I was a teenager my ex brother in law was sitting in the driveway talking on the cb radio and some man he had met at a pool hall had seen him and stopped to talk. I lived just off post road. I went outside and was talking with them and the man ( Yes I remember what he drove and what my brother in law called him but would rather not say it in public because for some reason I am still afraid) was telling my brother in law that he was being watched in the case of Brenda White and he laughed about it. The way he laughed just scared the crud out of me.
I hope they catch her killer while her parents are alive so they can have some peace.