Keep the ideas coming

I was in high school when this happened. My parents knew the family and I have wondered about this case for a long time.

On Monday, January 5, 1981, Tracey Diane Neilson, 21 years of age, was found dead of multiple stab wounds in her apartment in Moore, Oklahoma. Tracey was a junior at the University of Oklahoma in Norman. She lived with her husband of five months who was also a student at the University. Tracey was killed around noon and she was found neatly dressed. It was Tracey’s 21st birthday.

Did a profiler ever look at the Orbach case scene and evidence? In reading the file it sounds to me that both victims were beaten far more than needed to take their lives, and a knife was used.

I am certainly no profiler, but from what I’ve read a knife is considered a “up close and personal” weapon, and the extra injuries to the victims suggests anger and the possibility of a previous relationship between the victims and the killer(s).

As far as I know, the Orbach case was never examined by a profiler. To be honest, I don’t know of many cases that have been. Curiously, self-proclaimed psychics seem to appear in cold cases far more often than experts in behavioral science!

Have they looked into disgruntled employees? Possibly previous contractors for miscellaneous works done around the house? Housekeepers? Contacts of the sons? What about the jewelry? Did they follow up with dealers, pawn shops, etc.? The fact that the crime seemed to be so personal, (the savage beatings, & they seemed to have a knowledge of the victims belongings, & what they wanted no ransackings)would make look at a relative or possibly someone that he may have had business dealings with, that perhaps had a grudge!

My oldest brother is one of the “Many” unsolved and cold cases in the Oklahoma City area. I read an earlier posting of what read to be rather rude. I have come to terms with the fact that he is gone and has been since 1987 and we still don’t know WHO or WHY? I was contacted by a detective about 3 years ago, that said they were working on some DNA things in the case. Of course, nothing came of that since then either. But I realize there are ALOT of the cold cases out there and I want to add my brother to the list on this site, but wanted to be as polite as possible about it since I know how many of these you must get on a regular basis! His name is Joseph Farrar III was Feb. 12, 1987. He was found shot three times, body dumped in a ditch on 150th and Rockwell. His wallet still on him, so they of course ruled out robbery. The only thing missing was his car keys, and they actually found his car about a week later, about a mile from OUR house,at an apartment complex in Del City. Nothing was found in the car or at the dump site. He was last seen by his friend ,supposedly leaving Bowling Green in Midwest City, with a mystery girl and never returned.

Please try a psychic. Every time they use one on the cold case files on court tv, they seem to help solve a case,even though the police talk about how they were skeptical at first. I remember a few of these and wonder what do the cops have to lose. I too would like to see some of these infamous crimes solved.

Brenda White lived on St. Patrick’s Drive. Judith Elwell went to St. Patrick’s Church.
Read my message posted on Brother Speaks Out link. My mother also attended St. Patrick’s and saw Mr. Elwell quite often walking to/from church. She said after Judith disappeared, he “sagged” and aged terribly.

I am uncertain of the year but think it was 1967 or 68 a young teenage girl by the name of Maxine Cummings was found murdered in her home in the 3100 block of S.W. 20th. She lived a few houses up the street from where I lived. Her body was discovered by her father who later commited suicide. As I recall her killer was never found and it seemed at the time that the police were focusing their investigation mainly around her dad. The adults in the neighborhood always spoke as if this, in combination with his grief, was the cause for him taking his own life. I can’t remember for sure but I think her mom was a stay at home mother who happened to be out of the house that day. For some reason Maxine either did not attend school that day or returned home early. If my memories are correct her father came home early that day as well and found her dead in the bathroom. She had been sexually molested and her throat was cut.

I remember Mr. Cummings as being a very devoted father to his three girls and while he was rather strict the girls certainly never seemed unhappy. Maxine was a year younger than I was. She was attractive, shy and not as outgoing as her older sister Nadine. It has been years since I have thought about this but remember the wave of shock and sadness that covered our community for some time afterward. Very shortly after this tragedy the Cummings family moved away. Several years later Nadine married a friend of mine and during a conversation we had she stated that the murder of her sister was still unsolved. I would like to know if this case is still considered to be open and in the cold case files.

I agree with Steve and Rhonda on the Orbach case, there was overkill and the killer(s) knew his victims. Somebody somewhere knows something about this case.

And regarding the unidentified blonde man who parked the blue toyota in front of the house, why would the killer risk going back to the house to ‘make sure the victims were dead” ? He must have felt comfortable in going back to the house and to risk being seen. Maybe the couple wasn’t dead at that point, maybe they were being restrained or held hostage by an accomplice while the blond man left the house for a short period (to do what?) Maybe he went to the Orbach’s store, which wasn’t too far away, (wasn’t it at Penn Square??) or Mrs. Orbach’s church, also not far away. When he didn’t find or get what he wanted, returned to the house and killed the couple in a rage, taking only a few items, maybe to make it look like a robbery.

By the way, there is a ’scarce’ 1878 $3 gold piece for sale on E Bay.

There was a young teenage girl that was missing and then was found dead a couple of days later in mc loud that was never solved her name was Maxine Harrison this happened in the late 70’s or early 80’s many people say it went unsolved because the head of mc loud police was involved (There was a lot of talk back then about the shady dealings that happened in mc loud) it would be great if you could check into that one and there was another girl in Shawnee that disappeared about that time and was never found if I remember right her mother is also a bail bond person or she was a few years ago Carol Wells I think is the mothers name

What about covering the State Fair murders in 1981? I think there were 4 teenage girls who went missing that year. I was 5 and remember how scary it was and that we didn’t go to the fair for a few years after that.

To Ken: Law enforcement seldom uses a psychic to assist in solving cases.
The reason is because they do not believe it is real and possible for
anyone to have this ability. Many times even the family members of
the victims are just as skeptical and reluctant to give it a try.
Maybe, part of the reason is fear, ignorance, or ego; that play a part.
The unbelievers seldom change and the believers or those who have
the ability; cannot pretend it does not exist.

There was a young lady named Cindy Kinney, that turned up missing from Pawhuska back in 1977 or 1978. I don’t think there has been any resolution for the family.