Comments on: Big 12 football: Louisville, what might have been

By: R

Fri, 04 Jan 2013 21:07:03 +0000

Not as pessimistic as the previous comments, but I understand the concern. Yes, the prospect of Texas going independent is a very valid issue. But the assumption that the Longhorns (or Aggies for that matter) claim market control of the Greater Dallas metro area is false. Case in point, Bob Stoops, in June of last year, visited Gleneagles Country Club in Plano. Made, to many, the startling statement that this northern suburban area of the metroplex was Sooner Country. Not entirely correct, but his analysis that there are divided loyalties within this area is true. The wealth region of the metroplex, always of vital concern to media marketing valuation, is steadily moving to the Red River and into Oklahoma. Assuming the Big 12 holds together for a sustainable period, it definitely increases the realignment maneuverability of OU, and to a lesser extent OSU. Excluding Texas, those two Big 12 schools have the greatest upside potential in realignment. And to clarify the point, from a marketing standpoint, the combined metro area of OKC and Tulsa is larger than Kansas City metro. This is just one indicator of how quickly population distribution is changing within the nation.

By: Jerry

Jerry — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 19:12:23 +0000

I agree with John in Tulsa. Boise is NOT a major athletic program. Trying to park your non-football sports in the WAC shows what kind of an athletic department you have. I do think when DeLoss Dodds takes UT independent and moves its non-football sports to the ACC like ND has done then what is left of the Big XII will merge with the Mountain West and at that point in will come Boise State. No other conference is going to want the leftovers of the Big XII. Iowa State, Kansas, KState, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, and yes OSU and OU will be left to patch up what is left. WVU will go to the ACC. The PAC 12 won’t take anyone from the Big XII and neither will the B1G. The SEC would take OU but not OSU so that keeps OU out of the SEC. So in 6 years it will be the Big XII and 4 or 6 teams from the Mountain West to form a second or third tier conference. The Big XII is NOT a viable conference long term. Once Texas leaves that takes all the remaining big TV markets. Oklahoma City, Tulsa, Lubbock, and even Kansas City are NOT major TV markets. TV sets are what the owners of college football, ESPN, care about. Without Texas there are no major markets.

By: John in Tulsa

John in Tulsa — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 18:13:01 +0000

@ Chad.

That is one of the dumbest comments I’ve ever read. 1.) Boise State would bring ABSOLUTELY nothing in terms of higher revenue generation to the Big XII, and thus, the share of pie just gets smaller. 2.) Boise State’s academics are a complete joke. They were once a JUNIOR COLLEGE for goodness sake. Of course, if I were an OSU (or Tech) fan (probably like yourself), I’d want somebody more pathetic than my university to join so I wouldn’t be last in that category. 3.) Stoops isn’t scared of Boise. We schedule real games like ND, LSU, Ohio State, FSU, etc. Boise has made it known that they want a 1-1 series, which causes the other elite programs to avoid them because they can’t make any money due to Boise’s rink-dink 35,000 stadium.

By: Chris

Chris — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 16:13:28 +0000

FSU is no longer looking to move to another conference. The TV deal they are getting isn’t as bad as it thought it was going to be. Since expansion of the league they are going to stay. If they did move it WOULDN’T be to a disfunctional league run by ONE team that wasn’t FSU. Also, since adding Notre Dame the league is much better. They get 2-3 home games a year against ND and that is what increased the TV contract. So, forget the Big XII picking up a decent ACC team. OU was STUPID when they didn’t jump ship when they had the chance and go to the PAC 12. That ship has sailed. When the Big XII drops to 9 teams when UT leaves the Big XII will add BSU and 2 other Mountain West teams to get to 12 but the TV revenue will plumment and the league will drop below the ACC. No league is going to want to take the OU-OSU bundle and nobody is going to want to take KU, KSU, Texas Tech, Baylor, TCU, or Iowa State. WVU will probably go to the ACC. Forget the Big 10, no other Big XII school meets the standards the B1G has set. Academics and markets come first. On field performance is not considered. The PAC 12 doesn’t want to move further east. That is being blocked by CU. If the PAC adds more teams that would move CU to the north and they joined to play in the LA area every year. It is a sad thing but because of UT not wanting to expand big when the Big XII had the chance that doomed the remaining Big XII schools to oblivion. It is coming just as soon as the media rights deals expire and UT is able to market its first tier rights to ESPN and put everything else on an expanded LHN. I think Louisville is much happier going to the ACC than they would have been joining the Big XII. I bet WVU is upset they didn’t wait for the ACC as well. Currently, the Big XII is the least desirable of the major conferences.

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By: Beryl

Beryl — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 03:00:41 +0000

Let’s just go backt the Big 8 conference.

By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:54:30 +0000

Hummm….Clemson beats #8 LSU….Louisville beats #3 Florida…Michigan gets ripped and loses to #10 SC…NU beatdown by #7 Georgia.

SEC games left in the Top 10… ND v. Bama and. OU v. A$M. So far SEC is 2-2 in bowl games with teams ranked in top 10. IF ND and OU win….the SEC finishes 2-4 by Top 10 teams. That would mean #2, #3, #8, and #9 would have lost to inferior opponents. Wanna play that game who beat who in the SEC? And then who beat who in the bowls? Then draw a conclusion…..BUT first thing first…OU has a tough road to beat A$M…ND just needs to turn Gohlson loose like they did in the second half against OU. But since we are living in the world of what if…what if the media has over hyped SEC teams to the point they had 6 teams ranked in the Top 10…my point ….there were many 2 loss teams….and IF OU and ND take care of business whose to say who is #2? GA who lost to Bama? SC? The media favorite…Stanford…who struggled against 5 loss Wisconsin? Interesting argument.

By: R

Thu, 03 Jan 2013 23:38:22 +0000

Very interesting article by Chip Brown of Orangebloods (Texas) dated December 4, 2012, and titled, “Will Big 12 Get Off the Sidelines as Fla State Looks Around?” It indicates there is concern within the Big 12 that the status quo is no longer in the best interest of the Conference. Expansion is now apparently deemed necessary to preclude TV market domination by the Big 10 and SEC.

By: Tim

Tim — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 22:35:05 +0000

Agree, Jerry. The mistake was made early on by not thinking big and forcing Texas’ hand. Who thinks 14 is where the B1G and SEC stop? You would have to have you head in the ground to think that. Clearly, the conferences are moving to 4 major 16 team conferences. The ship has sailed for thr Big 12. Name 6 teams that would add to the conferences at this point. TCU and WVU were not bad pick ups. Both had off years, but both have solid coaches and schools that have committed to football, at least. Academics weren’t hurt either. The Big 12 needs 6 teams…Texas will jump when it’s football team become relevant again…another 2 or 3 beat downs by OU and Mike Stoops defense – which will get better- and UT is out the door. A$M’s move to the SEC is killing recruiting by UT and OU in Texas. UT will have to make a move soon…not 10 years. When they leave, the 4 major conferences will pick up what is left of the Big 12. I pray the SEC is holding 2 spots for OU and OSU. KSU and KU to the B1G. Doesn’t do much for TV, but great one great FB and another great BB program with rabid fan bases. Great academics, too. Gives comfort to Nebraska. ISU, TCU, WVU to the ACC. BU, TT, BYU, Boise St. to PAC 12. De Loss will get what he wants….”there’s only ONE….Texas.” (PUKE).

The Big 12 needs 6 teams …not 1, or 2, or 4….SIX….find 6 teams that add something to the conference, but first, kick one out..UT…so we need 7! That’s a tall order. No Big 12 in 5 years.

By: Jerry

Jerry — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 21:51:31 +0000

Big XII leadership is not asleep at the wheel. DeLoss Dodds has made it very clear that he does not want more than 10 teams in the league and he doesn’t want a Championship Game. Since Texas was left out of the Championship Game in the three way tie year in the Big XII South, Texas has made it clear it would never happen again. If there is no Championship Game they cannot be left out. Since DeLoss Dodds IS the Big XII leadership he is doing exactly what he wants to do and not expanding with Louisville is perfect. Ten teams is all there will be as long as Texas rules the Big XII. And Texas will rule the Big XII until they decide to go independent in football and sign with the ACC in all other sports. The Big XII is a dead man walking. What happens when Texas leaves? OU is tied to OSU. That is the way it is and nothing is going to change that. The SEC would like OU but not if that meant taking OSU as well. The PAC 12 doesn’t want either OU or OSU and neither does the B1G. When Texas leaves it will mean that what is left of the Big XII will have to merge with the Mountain West and become a second or third tier league with no anchor TV market. That isn’t going to happen in the next year or two but it will happen before 10 years. The Big XII missed out not on Louisville, but when the Big XII went to 8 teams they could have thought BIG and gone after 8 teams in the ACC-Big East and had a 16 team league with 8 on the east coast and 8 in the middle of the country. That was the failure of the Big XII. Since that didn’t happen the Big XII is left to rot on the vine.