Emails in on Pac-16 and realignment
The new emails are in, and lots of talk about conference realignment.
D.K. wrote about the Texas legislature wanting Baylor instead of Texas: “I was terrific with Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, Oklahoma and Colorado joining the new Pac-16, but Baylor? I don’t mind one or even two little brothers, but not Waco University. Rather than capitulate to the Texas legislature, let’s check out the SEC. Enough is enough. Colorado deserves to be one of the six additions and actually I’d rather have Utah then Lubbock. If we’re looking for television sets and viewership, let’s add Denver and Salt Lake City. I think we can live without Waco and Lubbock. The Pac-10 needs to tell the Longhorns they are not a dictatorship. I’m getting very sick of Texas and its attitude. Let them go independent and let’s add six schools to the Pac-16 that want to be a part of a real conference.”
Without Texas, there might be no invitation for OU or anyone else. And this isn’t Texas squawking about Baylor. It’s Texas politicians. Besides, you need not worry. The Pac-10 gave in on Tech. I don’t see it giving in on Baylor.
David: “Mack Sissy Brown, who regularly schedules four non-conference girls teams year after year isn’t going to support his team joining the Pac-10 or the SEC. Mack knows that if he joins these conferences, his level of competition increases dramatically and he would be in conferences with several teams he has to compete against for BCS bowl bids. Mack isn’t a fool, and his mentality would veto joining a conference like the Pac-10. It won’t happen. UT, OU and at least 10 members remain in the Big 12 Conference. If Missouri (very possibly) and/or Nebraska leaves, they will be replaced with two other teams. The Big 12 will be alive and well. Book it.”
I don’t think Mack wants to play a tough schedule, but this thing is too big. If Nebraska bolts, it’s Pac-16. And here’s the deal. The new conference would be tougher than the Big 12. But not that much tougher. Texas would be trading Baylor and two North teams for Arizona, Arizona State and two Pac-8 teams. If it’s USC, yep, big upgrade. But some years it will be Stanford and Oregon State. Or Washington and UCLA. So let’s not pretend Texas is joining the NFC East.
Jerry, a Missouri fan: “I somewhat agree with you that the Big 12 will be fine if only Mizzou goes. I do not think that there is one team that the Big 12 can not survive without. You can say the same for NU, OU and Texas. But when you have two or more leave, that’s when the Big 12 takes a crushing blow, especially when it is school the caliber of Mizzou and NU. I do think you underestimate Mizzou’s value to the Big 12. Won’t hurt TV revenue? Seriously? Compare the number of households in Missouri vs. Nebraska. Not even close. I have not heard any official representative of Missouri say anything derogatory about the Big 12. Basically what I have heard from AD Mike Alden is we are proud members of the Big 12 and we will always operate in the best interests of the University of Missouri. I guess we are supposed to lie like DeLoss Dodds saying we are committed to the Big 12 and then talk to the Pac-10 and other conferences behind closed doors. You seem to portray Mizzou as a bunch of whiners being disgruntled over bowl selections and TV revenue sharing. Do you not agree that Mizzou got shafted when the Orange Bowl took KU over Mizzou in 2007 or being passed up by A&M and Iowa State last year and ended up in the Texas Bowl? The Big 12 does have a screwed-up revenue sharing plan. Mizzou is in the upper half of revenue sharing in the Big 12, but a conference is only as strong as its weakest link, which Texas doesn’t seem to get and maybe OU, too. However this all sorts out, Mizzou will be fine.”
Missouri will be fine? What if the Pac-16 becomes a reality and the Big Ten doesn’t invite Missouri? Where’s the fine then? But let me get this straight. You say Missouri doesn’t whine, then you whine. And your own evidence indicts Missouri. The Insight Bowl preferred Iowa State to Missouri.
Jeff: “Any AD or president worth their salt should seek the best long-term deal for their university. And the one they have now clearly is not it. Having an unequal revenue sharing arrangement, not to mention an ongoing geographical bias toward Texas for post-season play rather than equitably, leads to discordance among the members.”
Geographic bias toward Texas for post-season play? The Big 12 has staged 14 championship football games. Seven have been in the state of Texas. Seven have been in the state of Missouri. Sure, the Big 12 now has voted to stay in Arlington for the next several years, but it’s also given Kansas City the basketball tournament perhaps permanently. That doesn’t sound like geographic bias. That sounds like Solomon.
Jim: “Interesting thought about the Big 12 suddenly wanting NU to not throw tradition out the window, when it was the rest of the Big Eight, OU included, that did just that. The Big Eight rolled over to about every demand UT had from academic partial qualifiers to OU not playing NU every year. Talk about throwing tradition out the window. OU fans can diss NU all they want by saying UT is their true rival, but if I recall correctly the NU-OU game has determined more national championships than about any in my lifetime (40 years). The best part is contrary to what UT fans think, NU finally holds all the cards on this one. It is just too bad that we might screw the rest of the North schools in the process, but they all voted for many of the things Osborne didn’t like when the Big 12 was formed.”
The Big Eight gave in to Texas because it needed Texas. We talk about how bad the Big 12′s current TV contract is. How bad would it be without the Longhorns? But you can’t blame Texas for OU not playing Nebraska every year. That’s on OU, which was bad in the ’90s and didn’t want an annual beating. The irony, of course, is that OU has been vastly superior in the 2000s. But here’s what’s really funny. Remember the old joke from Jerry Tarkanian that the NCAA is so mad at Kentucky that it’s going to give two more years of probation to Cleveland State? Nebraska is so mad at Texas, it’s going to screw Iowa State.
Austin: “I awoke Sunday morning to see if the Big 12 still existed. This is what I surmised: 1. Baylor has Texas politicians lining up to fight for the little school on the Brazos. Reportedly, 15 Texas politicians have decided that little brother Baylor deserves the Pac-16, instead of Colorado. Lunacy. The Texas politicians better be thanking their lucky stars that the Pac-10 powers that be have agreed to take Tech and A&M. What is your take?”
Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe the Pac-10 would take Baylor. Everybody would enjoy having someone to beat. But I still don’t see Berkeley voting for the Baptists. Baptists will tell you that Baylor is really liberal Baptists, but I don’t think Cal recognizes such a possibility.
Jeff: “I tend to agree with your articles regarding the Pac 10/Big 12 merger, although I admit as a old Big Eighter I’d hate to see the Big 12 go. But change is coming. The money is too big. I even like your divisional names. What I’m perplexed about is the lack of coverage regarding a force dubiously adding fuel to the change fire. The Big Ten shares its television revenues equally. The same cannot be said for the Big 12. Which way will the Pac-16 go with revenue sharing?”
I think the Pac-16 would have to split revenues equally. To do otherwise would sow seeds of discontent. As the Big 12 has proved.
Jimmy: “My first thought was, what do the Arizona schools think about this? For them, it would greatly change who they play during conference games (football). It would almost be as though the Arizona schools themselves joined a new conference.”
I have to believe that the Arizona schools signed off on it. I wrote about Mike Stoops for Monday, and he doesn’t seem crazy about the scheduling aspect. One downside to the Arizona schools is that this will cost them an annual game in LA. Maybe that’s not as big a deal as I think it is. Still not a bad drive from Phoenix to LA.
Andrew: “I grew up in Nebraska but currently reside in Shawnee. I’m still a Nebraskan at heart and am a HUGE Nebraska fan. Having said this, Nebraskans are starting to embrace leaving the Big 12. We have been on the opposing end to nearly every issue with Texas and they continue to get their way. We aren’t happy being in the newfangled Southwestern Conference. Because in all truth that is what has happened in our eyes. A solid conference in the Big Eight has been hijacked and turned into the Southwest Conference where inequalities, infighting, and good ol’ boy networking thrive. Texas will now have been in two conferences that went belly up. Hmmm, perhaps Texas should simply be independent. So how about we save the Big 12 by booting Texas out?”
Boot out Texas and the Big 12 doesn’t last a year. I don’t blame Nebraska or anyone else in the North for looking for greener pastures, but I don’t blame Texas for wielding power. Texas HAS the power. I think Nebraska will be OK in the Big Ten. Missouri will never be heard from again, not that Missouri is heard from now. But you know the real problem? It’s not power and it’s not Texas getting its way. It’s the South dominance. The South dominates all sports, except men’s basketball, because of Kansas. If the North was winning its share of titles, we wouldn’t be hearing about all this Texas power.
James: “I think what Oklahoma should do alongside some others is to re-form the original Big Six Conference. I cannot very well imagine a universe wherein Oklahoma and Kansas were not in the same conference. I am agin’ it!”
The Big Six? You’ve got to be kidding. The Big Six? Isn’t it amazing how some people like to hang on to the past? The Big Six has been gone for 62 YEARS. There was no college football on television when the Big Six became the Big Seven. Truman was in the White House. Mickey Mantle was in high school in Commerce.
Brian: “Wouldn’t it be fun to see OU head west to the Pac-16, Nebraska head north to the Big 16 and then see them face off in the Rose Bowl? How would the Rose Bowl suits like that development?”
Finally, someone with some vision. Someone who is not griping but checking out the world for possibilities.
Mark: “I believe you are right in regards to the best path forward for OU. The economic outlook for the high-growth media markets in the Southwest and West is bright; OU could elevate its program in these markets through membership in the Pac-10. As a Kansas City resident, I’m concerned about the possibility of Kansas being left out. I would like to see KU and KSU added to the mix, with the addition of two schools west of the Rockies to balance things out. I hope that a vision for a Pac-20 comprised of two divisions might catch on. I’m very concerned with a possible leadership vacuum in regard to athletics at KU during this critical time. The timing related to the ticket scandal could really hurt KU.”
I see no way a Pac-20 will be considered. I think Kansas is in for some worrisome times. But I believe the Jayhawks will come out OK. People call me crazy, but I think KU could talk its way into the SEC. The SEC has plenty of money and more than enough great football programs. What it needs is another big-time basketball program. KU could provide that, and Lawrence is a lot closer to Fayetteville, Ark., than Fayetteville is to Oxford, Miss., its next-closest league member.
Greg: “OU and A&M should go to the SEC. They should play in the Cotton Bowl, telling UT to take a hike and enjoy its game that evening at 10 p.m. in Corvallis, Ore. Yes, the convulsion would be long and loud, but a few years of playing Arkansas, Ole Miss, and LSU instead of Texas and Texas Tech would provide all the stimuli OU faithful require. OU would still be playing in Texas at least once and could cherry pick a non-conference game with Tech, Baylor, SMU, Houston or even import someone like Notre Dame. And Texas could take all their marbles and go have a Hollywood party. I hope it is good riddance and let everyone learn we can do just fine without UT, just like we could do without an annual dose of Kansas and Nebraska.”
Forget all the anti-Texas stuff. Can everyone please get over this late-start stuff. Not even the Pac-10 plays that many night games. Arizona and Arizona State do, but the Pac-10 quits playing night games in November. Schools from Oklahoma and Texas won’t play on the Coast that often. That issue is way overrated. Now, everyone resume your Texas-bashing.
Bob: “I am a transplanted Husker, graduate of OU in 1974 and have always been a supporter of the Big Eight. I have never been a fan of the Big 12. The Big Eight gave up control of its destiny to join the Southwest Conference. The conference, year by year, has gradually shifted control to the teams from the Southwest Conference, especially Texas. It’s not difficult to understand why the teams from the North Division feel like stepchildren, when year after year a little more of their independence is transferred south of the Red River.”
Again, more South Division envy, guised as Texas power. I have to admit. I didn’t realize all those feelings still existed. I figured everyone had gotten over it and was busy at work trying to win ballgames. Silly me.
Evan: “It’s always the money. Just follow it. However, as a lifelong Husker, I feel Texas started the NU administration’s search for a new deal. Osborne’s concerns have been ignored for years. It all has gravitated to Texas. The offices, championship game, Big Eight records wiped clean and who could forget the non-reviewable play that was last year. Oh, sorry, that was about the money, too, excuse me. And Texas is surprised?”
The Big 12 would have made more money had Nebraska beaten Texas. A Husker victory would have given the Big 12 two BCS bowl teams. Instead, the Big 12 had just one.
Lots of talk about how to make it one conference, not two conferences playing a title game. I don’t think that playing seven interdivision rivals plus two from the other does that. I suggest four divisions: Pacific Northwest Hippies (WSU, UW, Oregon, Oregon State), LA Smog (Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA), Mountainous Desert (Colorado, Tech, Arizona, ASU) and OU/UT & Stepsons (I’m an OSU guy, so I can make that joke). Schedule like this. Three against your divisional rivals. Two from each of the other three divisions. Ultimately we’d make one trip per year to California, one per year to either Washington or Oregon and one per year to AZ/CO/West Texas. What this impacts is the non-conference schedule. No more of OU playing Cincinnati and Florida State in a year. OSU doesn’t need to travel far and wide for a non-conference game. Stick to Arkansas State, Kansas, Baylor, Rice, Tulsa, etc. Got to make sure to give teams like Florida Atlantic or Rice their paycheck but don’t kill yourself with two reasonably tough games in a year (OU) and don’t travel too far for non-conference more than once a year, maybe once every two years. And this ties the Louisiana Purchase 16 Conference (or Manifest Destiny 16?) together better in my mind without causing too much travel beyond what is fathomable.”
I hate the divisional plan but love the Manifest Destiny reference. I think I’ll steal that one. Here’s why the scheduling won’t work. The Washington and Oregon schools want to be in Los Angeles at least once a year, for recruiting purposes. They’re in serious trouble otherwise. So I think two divisions is the way to go. The WAC tried this four-division deal back in the ’90s. It was a disaster. I don’t see what’s wrong with the concept of two conferences sort of bonded into one. If the Arizona schools are OK with it, I think it works well. You keep your long-term bonds and toss in occasional games against the others. And while OU and OSU would play once every eight years in Eugene or Seattle or Berkeley or Pasadena, in some ways, that makes it even more special. I remember when OU first played at A&M, in 1994, then went back in 1998 with the advent of the Big 12. It seemed so exotic back then. Now it’s humdrum. Going once every eight years would keep the romanticism.
Larry: “I’m kinda partial to the status quo and wish we could keep it going somehow, but it seems that there are inexorable forces at work that make the Big 12 unsustainable. It sure looks like it’s in the process of collapse. The Pac-10 hookup seems like the best available solution in that we keep these old regional rivalries intact. If it comes to pass, I’m looking forward to seeing my Red Raiders kick some Left Coast tail. We’ve got some real culture clashes in the offing. When Oklahoma meets West Texas it isn’t necessarily worldview vs. worldview. But when Aggie meets Berkeley, this could be interesting.”
I sort of like the Aggies in that matchup.
Aaron: “I say the Pac-16 would be amazing, just as long as Texas, OU, OSU and A&M stay together. My question, however, is how will this league compare to the likes of the Big 10 and SEC revenue wise? Would it make better sense for the Oklahoma and Texas schools to go to the SEC? Also, what could this mean in recruiting? Stoops already has started to open a SoCal pipeline with the likes of Stills and Jefferson. Could this solidify better recruiting in these areas?”
I’m told Stoops is sort of fired up about the possible California recruiting. The revenue projections fall somewhere between the SEC and the Big Ten, which is great. I think the Pac-16 is a better fit than the SEC. I think going to the SEC might just open up Texas recruiting to the likes of Arkansas, LSU and Alabama.
Burl: “Should the Big 12 try to stay together, it could be that Texas and A&M go to the Pac-10 anyway, Nebraska and Missouri to the Big 10. Oklahoma’s chances for dominance on the college football landscape would diminish greatly. Missouri started this mess, and they will lose more than anyone else. Gary Pinkel has done well recruiting in Texas. Does Mizzou believe that will continue once their sons no longer visit the Big 12 South schools to play? Pinkel will leave, Iowa State will join the Missouri Valley, along with K-State, and who knows where KU will end up. It would be more than stupid to pass this up now. I don’t like the idea of realignment myself, but also what is occurring here is the development of a false college football playoff picture. More conference championships/divisional championship type games will help the BCS survive longer. When the NCAA attempted to create parity in the sport, this is the result. Power conferences that may have scholarship limits but have aligned themselves with the attractive attributes to lure recruits, TV networks and ad dollars.”
Speaking of parity, the Big 12 and Pac-10 have become the most top-heavy leagues. USC has dominated the Pac-10. OU and Texas have dominated the Big 12. No other league is like that.
David: “How about OU, OSU, UT, A&M, TCU, Tech, SMU, Baylor and Tulsa for a new nine-member SWC? Add Houston to make it an even 10, and if you want 12 schools add Rice and UTEP.
Heck, add Stephen F. Austin and Sam Houston State and go to 14,
Greg: “Your recent columns on realignment have been good, but just for the record, I hate the ideas. Not just for OU, but for the Big 12. At the core of all of this is one thing: money. There’s no other reason in my mind why any Big 12 school, with exception of Iowa State or Baylor, would want to move. It’s hard enough for a team to win a conference title in a 12-team league. It’d be a ton harder in a 16-team league that has better teams. Also, would it not eliminate at least a couple non-conference games at the start of the year (even if they are minions)? I guarantee you ticket prices will go up for the likes of Arizona, Oregon, etc. Not to mention how this would affect all other sports. I can’t see how schools would justify heading west for basketball or a tennis match or a wrestling meet. To me, conferences should stick to a region. Also, I don’t think this issue helps the Big 12 schools in the BCS. I haven’t seen anyone address that issue yet as to whether a conference expansion (both Pac-10 and Big 10) would help or hurt a school’s shot at a BCS bowl. The leagues get larger and the competition gets tougher – which would also affect a team’s ability to make a playoff system if that ever happens. My inclination is that realignment would hurt more than help.”
What? College football is about money? I’ve never heard of such a thing. A few responses: 1. Why do some college football fans always worry about manipulating their team into a good bowl? Why not just win and you’ll be taken care of? 2. It will be harder to win a conference title. But it will be a lot cooler conference title. No more beating a 7-5 Colorado in the title game. 3. Ticket prices always go up. Nothing will stop that. 4. No one is going from Texas to Oregon for a tennis match. I wish people would get over that.
Josh: “I’m not sure how 9 p.m. kickoff times for games are going to go over in Oklahoma.”
They will go over great. You’ve got all day Saturday and into the evening to do whatever you want to do. Work in the field. Go see your mother. Drive to Eureka Springs and back. Have dinner. And still you can get home in plenty of time for the game you care about. What’s better than that? Quit griping. I’m the one with the deadline.
Haskell: “I think OU needs to stay in Big 12. Money is not everything. Don’t the fans who follow the teams count for anything? Fans only have so much money, and a lot of them could not go to the games that now do. I get tired of people like you spouting off and telling everyone else what they need to do. You are not always right but you have the privilege to put your thoughts out to the public, where no one else has that opportunity.”
And now I’m giving that opportunity to you. But basically, you’re right. I do have a privilege and I appreciate it. And by the way. In college sports, money is everything.
Mark: “I’m guessing that I can figure the landing spot for NU and MU. I truly hate to see ISU, KU, KSU and Baylor in a tough situation, but life happens. Where do you see those four schools ending up?”
I’ve already talked about Kansas, but some have said the Jayhawks to the Big East. Why not, especially if the ACC siphons off some Big East football schools. West Virginia, maybe Syracuse if the Big Ten doesn’t get there first. And how about Iowa State joining KU in the Big East. The Big East could be caught looking for any university with a decent number of shoulder pads. Iowa State isn’t a bad football school; it usually has a bad football team, but it’s not a bad football school. Draws about 40,000 per game. Kansas State I think is almost certainly headed to the Mountain West. The Colorado/Baylor loser, too. The Mountain West would be a fun conference to be in, but your prestige takes a hit. Your prestige and your wallet.
Clayton: “Allow me to bring a business perspective and some data to your poorly-thought-out column on the Big 12 and conference realignment. Both elements were sorely lacking. First, realignment is about TV revenue; nothing more. I think you understand this. What I don’t think you understand is what drives TV revenue. It’s not so much the quality of the football or the brand power of the teams, although those things matter. The biggest driver is the number of TV sets in the conference. By my estimation, this explains about half of the variation in conference TV revenue. The Big 12 is in a weak position, and this is best explained by its relatively low population. You can also see who is doing the best to exploit their resources, and who is not. You can also see why the Pac-10 is apparently making such a bold move. The Big 12 actually is outperforming its population number; which suggests a premium for the quality of the football played in the conference and the powerful brands of some of the teams in the league. This suggests that the Big 12 is already close to maximizing its potential, yet still significantly trails the Big 10, the SEC and the ACC in revenue. Thus, for the Big 12 to remain a viable conference long-term, it needs to increase its TV revenue relative to those leagues. Now, you claim that Missouri does not matter, and that Nebraska matters. We need to note that Missouri (with six million people) accounts for 13% of the Big 12′s population and has its No. 3 and No. 5 metropolitan areas by population. Nebraska accounts for a mere four percent of the Big 12 population and its biggest market, Omaha, is only the Big 12′s ninth largest. You claim that the Big 12 would ‘thrive’ without Missouri, and that its loss would not adversely affect the conference’s TV contract. Am I to understand that you believe that advertisers would be willing to pay more (relative to college football from other leagues) for a product that has become 13 percent smaller? That a strategically weak league whose primary disadvantage is a small population will ‘thrive’ after losing its second biggest chunk of population? That defies logic. I do agree that if Missouri is the only school to leave the Big 12, that the league would continue with just 11 teams. It would likely survive for some time. However, the TV revenue disparity (which would grow as the Big 12 is further discounted by advertisers relative to the other leagues due to its even smaller population) will erode the league members’ ability to compete nationally. This will drive members out and is the reason the league is facing a mass exodus now. I should disclose that I am a Missouri alum. I was offended by your column, but I also found it to be naive and plain wrong. It also differs from reporting in other regions of the country, both in other parts of the Big 12, in the Big 10 region, and nationally. That’s probably because it is wrong.”
Or it could be that nobody in the Big 12 cares about Missouri. Yes, Missouri has a bunch of television sets, relative to much of the Big 12. And all those TV sets are watching the Cardinals. The Cardinals or Nebraska. Missouri is not a player in the major college shuffle. If the Big Ten needs Missouri to fill out its desired expansion, Missouri will get an invite. Missouri is not high on the Big Ten’s list. It would be an addition of convenience, not of excitement, on the Big Ten’s part. If that offends you, I’m sorry. But judging by your data, looks like Missouri ranks behind Boston College, Syracuse and Rutgers in terms of desire for the Big Ten.”
Jim wrote about Armando Galarraga’s near-perfect game, ruined when umpire Jim Joyce blew the final out call: “I wonder if all the hub-bub would have been the same if the ump had called him out when he really was safe? Probably not. People would have said it was just part of the game and what a wonderful game he pitched. I like baseball the old-fashioned way. No replays, no DH. Part of the fun of baseball is the missed calls and errors, etc., that we fans can argue about for years. I miss when they used to play Three Blind Mice on the organ for the umps and when they used to drive the relief pitcher in from the bullpen in a new convertible car. By the way, Detroit and the ump and the pitcher really handled that incident in a great way.”
Talk about burying the lead. Yeah, I’d say Joyce and Galarraga came out looking OK on the deal. But no, if Joyce had blown the call the other way, I think it still would have been a firestorm. Too much media otherwise. Galarraga would go down as a perfect-game pitcher who didn’t deserve it, instead of a non-perfect game pitcher who did.
Larry: “I read you article on getting the folks of OKC to back the WCWS and had to chuckle a bit. It seems to me that the local media needs to look at themselves if we are to promote this event. The main topic early in the tournament in your paper was about the OU baseball regional. Which event brings the most people and money to our city? The WCWS brings a lot of revenue and visitors to our city. You media people need to get behind this thing before it starts, not after it is half way over. Granted, we need some improvements to the grounds, but with limited funds I think they do a good job.”
OU baseball has not been the main topic in the sports section. Maybe you can argue that we underplayed the softball early last week, but since the day the tournament started, the World Series has had the prime display in the sports section.
Jim: “You hit the nail on the head. The WCWS needs to grow. There are several problems: the field, the stadium and the mentality of the ASA. The fields are over-played. The main field is a stadium! It is the Mecca of fastpitch softball. Yet it is run with a recreation park mentality. Every weekend there are youth tournaments being played on this field It need time to recover from the over use. The stadium is still a slow pitch ballpark. Build permanent seats in the outfield. The new 6-foot fence and warning track are nice, but the NCAA insisted on that. The ASA never takes the lead on anything. They only do what they have to do and nothing more. The sooner the ASA recognizes that fastpitch is what fills the stadium with fans, the better. They are still an old boys club. Every commissioner (retired or active) get a free trip to their national convention. The old boys love their slow pitch. But go the park for a national slow pitch tournament and you are lucky if there are 30 people in the stands. And they are likely the teams for the next game. The ASA may know what they are doing for rec leagues, but not with big time fastpitch softball. As for moving it to Bricktown, no. Fastpitch is moving up in the world and deserves a fastpitch-only stadium. If OKC cannot or will not provide one, then the NCAA needs to look elsewhere.”
I think the stadium should be turned into a fastpitch-only stadium. But overuse of the fields? I don’t see it. How does dirt get overused? The outfields aren’t sparse of grass. The ASA could help by relenting and allow permanent outfield bleachers to be constructed, but I don’t mind all kinds of fastpitch games out there.
Tom: “In regards to worst schedules, I don’t have to leave the Big 12 to find three that you’ve missed. For instance, how did Nebraska, Texas Tech, and Texas miss the cut? Especially Nebraska and Tech.”
Nebraska didn’t miss it much. But NU is playing at revived Washington, so that’s how the Huskers missed the top 10. And Tech’s schedule isn’t awful; home games against SMU and Houston. SMU is a new animal under June Jones.
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Just an opinion, but wouldn’t Baylor possibly slip to the CUSA with Houston? Also, if you were a Baylor fan wouldn’t you look forward to be competitive in another conference rather than going to a HUGE/MONSTER conference where you are going to continually post 2 win seasons, I mean after playing like that in the BIG XII wouldn’t you think that their fans would push the Texas politicians for a chance to compete, rather than a chance to become another doormat?
Jimmy, I am not sure where you are coming from, but it is not from the research section of the library. Texas already makes more money than any other athletics program in the country. Like it or not, they can probably go to any conference they choose. Just be glad that OU is one of the schools they seem to be more than willing to take with them.
This Pac-16 is not a done deal. You’re article omits one key factor in the UT/realignment issue. Control.
An example of this is the pac-16 network. The Pac-16 would require all members to give up their media rights for formation of the Pac-16 network. Texas has been loathe to do this in the Big 12, preferring to keep their options open to form their own network.
Having one’s own media network can bring millions upon millions of dollars into the coffers-enough to make up for whatever income boost a Pac-16 would add to a team like Texas. And it would allow Texas to keep the one thing it really doesn’t want to give up: control.
Right now, UT is the big dog of the Big 12. It has its stooge as conference leader. It hosts the conference championship game. It plays nearly all it’s games in the State of Texas. You’re saying it would give all of that up for an extra 7-10 million per year? Money that it could make by forming it’s own network?
Not likely.
Joining a Pac-16 means giving up being number one for just being one of many. The benefits favor the Pac teams in this venture. Expect Texas to patch up the Big 12, and hold out for a better offer.
Berry: I see the Big East jumping into the middle of this conference expansion war and inviting the 6 Northern Big 12 schools to join the Big East-Midwest Conference bdfore Friday June 11th when Nebraska and Missouri have to inform the Big 12 of there intensions. If they don’t get Missoure or Nebraska that’s still Ok. They will end up with a powerful football and basketball conference. To save on travel expenses the Olympic sports teams will just play the schools in there division until the season ending championship tournaments. If the Pac 10 can take the 6 Southern schools from the Big 12 the Big East can take the 6 Northern schools The New Fantastic Big East-Midwest conference:
Eastern Div: F &B. Western Div: F & B.
U.Conn. Nebraska
Rutgers Missouri
W.Virginia Kansa U.
Pitt.U. Kansas State
U. Cincinnati Iowa State
USF U.Louisville
Syracuse Baylor or Colorado
Eastern B-Ball only Western B-Ball only
Providence Notre Dame
St. John’s Marquette
Villanova DePaul
Georgetown St. Louis U.
This coference will shake up the sports world. Look at the high profile schools they would have and the TV markets they would be in would be excellent. Yes, the Big East would have to drop Seton Hall and add the U. St. Louis. What a dynamic conference. The Big East needs to do something like this to survive. Might as well let the Big 12 go under. This is a fight to the death. Tks, G. Porteous
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[...] East This guy, a columnist for the Oklahoman, has Kansas in the Big East…and Iowa State. Emails in on Pac-16 and realignment | Berry Tramel's Blog "I truly hate to see ISU, KU, KSU and Baylor in a tough situation, but life happens. Where do [...]
I cannot believe you are employed as a journalist. Your blog posts and articles have the professional tone and intellectual rigor of a message board. justifying reasons why joining the Big 10 is good for Missouri- more equitable, more money, etc.- is not “whining.” it’s commonsense. likewise, Texas demanding–through the Big XII–that MU and NU remain loyal to its conference isn’t whining. the Big XII is good to Texas and it makes perfect sense for UT’s interests for the conference to stay together.
this is precisely the reason why Missouri and Nebraska ought to be fine if the Big 10 doesn’t call–Texas won’t leave the Big XII first, unless it is entirely clear that MU and NU are leaving (and it will be both or none, I’ve seen no scenario in which only one is included). and if Texas doesn’t leave, the PAC-16 won’t happen, or at least won’t be as impressive.
your other random, unsupported attacks on Missouri merit no response.
DX/Sunoco came up on the AnimaI 6/8. I remember the DX gas stations. When I was 8 years old, DX had a promotion in which they offered an NFL program with every team for the 1972 season. Every time Dad filled up the car, you got some stickers of players to fill in to your program. I made my Dad get gas at the DX at NW 23rd and Council as often as possible. Aunt Susie and Granpa too. They always gave extra players. I filled out my book by the end of the season. I became enamored with the Vikings, Fran Tarkenton, Chuck Foreman, the Purple People eaters. Good memories from childhood thanks to DX. I live in SEC country, Auburn, Alabama. I would love OU to join the SEC for selfish reasons. Why not split conference affiliation with Texas? The Dallas game would survive as an annual marquis non conference matchup just as it did before 1996. Recruiting ties to the state of Texas would be maintained. No brainer for this displaced Sooner.
Why does Baylor have to stay with other Texas Big 12 schools? I can’t believe the state legislature is wasting tax dollars on this. If they don’t want them then they don’t want them. Grow up Baylor.
This is ridiculous. Oklahoma, OSU, A&M, and Texas should all be joining the SEC. That makes geographic and athletics sense. I’m sick of hearing about academic excuses from Texas. State Universities are State Universities. Imagine this …
SEC WEST
- Oklahoma / OSU
- Texas / TAMU
- Arkansas / LSU
- Ole Miss / MSU
SEC EAST
- Alabama / Auburn
- Florida / Georgia
- South Carolina / Vandy
- Tennessee / Kentucky
Now THAT is a super-conference. Play everybody in your division every year and one crossover game per year. This minimizes the chances of a rematch in the SEC title game, which drives up attendance and TV revenue. Now that’s a real plan!
The Pac 16 speculative conference sounds very interesting. I believe it would truly be an extremely exciting conference with great match-ups week in and week out. I DO NOT like the name PAC 16 however. If the conference is finally made up of the teams that are being discussed, I think the best name for the new conference would the Pacific West Heartland Conference. Has a real nice sound to it.
There are some fascinating points in this article but I don’t know if I see all of them middle to heart. There is some validity however I will take maintain an opinion until I look into it further. Good article , thanks and we would like more! Added to FeedBurner as well.

Honestly all this talk has been nothing but talk. No one has made anything offical but if I could predict the future I could see Nebraska and Missouri leaving to the Big 10 but I just don’t see Texas,OU,and little sisters going to another conference that was once dominated by USC but now seems that those days maybe over with Oregon, Arizona, etc getting tougher. Texas is not going to the PAC 10 or Big 10 or SEC. If they wanted to make some money then they would be in the SEC right now playing against LSU, Bama, Florida, Tenn, and old rivals Arkansas but it’s just too hard to give up being the lion in the den that is Big 12 so I’m saying Big 12 loses 2 teams but ends up just picking up two teams like TCU and Houston to replace them. Big 12 is staying intact no 4 16 team conferences Texas wants to have winning seasons not losing ones