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	<title>Comments on: Pitt to the Big Ten? What now, Mizzou?</title>
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	<description>Thoughts from The Oklahoman Sports Columnist Berry Tramel &#124; NewsOK.com</description>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/01/31/pitt-to-the-big-ten-what-now-mizzou/comment-page-1/#comment-11847</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 07:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I too am confused with this superiority complex that Mizzou has with it&#039;s academics and athletics?  When ranked among universities, which in my opinion are hard to rank, but using a mainstream source like U.S News.  Missouri ranks in the lower half of the Big 12.  If you go by those rankings it would be as follows 1. Texas, 2. Texas A&amp;M, 3. Colorado, 4. Baylor, 5. Iowa State, 6. Kansas, 6. Nebraska, then....oh wait a minute then followed by Missouri and Oklahoma which were tied.  The other three...TTU, OSU, and KSU didn&#039;t even register.  But...the do register on another list...the list of Big 12 championships. Wait a minute...last we looked here...Mizzou ranked last in that category with Texas, Nebraska, &amp; Texas A&amp;M leading that pack!  Let me be the first to say Good-bye to Missouri....have fun in the Big Ten....I&#039;m sure your fortunes will turn around in that conference!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too am confused with this superiority complex that Mizzou has with it&#8217;s academics and athletics?  When ranked among universities, which in my opinion are hard to rank, but using a mainstream source like U.S News.  Missouri ranks in the lower half of the Big 12.  If you go by those rankings it would be as follows 1. Texas, 2. Texas A&amp;M, 3. Colorado, 4. Baylor, 5. Iowa State, 6. Kansas, 6. Nebraska, then&#8230;.oh wait a minute then followed by Missouri and Oklahoma which were tied.  The other three&#8230;TTU, OSU, and KSU didn&#8217;t even register.  But&#8230;the do register on another list&#8230;the list of Big 12 championships. Wait a minute&#8230;last we looked here&#8230;Mizzou ranked last in that category with Texas, Nebraska, &amp; Texas A&amp;M leading that pack!  Let me be the first to say Good-bye to Missouri&#8230;.have fun in the Big Ten&#8230;.I&#8217;m sure your fortunes will turn around in that conference!</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/01/31/pitt-to-the-big-ten-what-now-mizzou/comment-page-1/#comment-11822</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 14:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Folks, I&#039;m an Okie who has lived in Mizzou land for more than 40 years and an familiar with the school and its fans. The only place I&#039;ve ever heard a Mizzou fan who is for the move into the Big 10 is on this blog site. Other than the governor, whom many of us hope is a 1-termer, and those on this site there is no wishes to leave the Bib 12 and enter the Big 10. And to those elitist Big 10ers, you&#039;re full of it. Your schools are no better academically than those in the Big 12, nor any other conference in the nation. That includes your precious Northwestern. I frankly would rather have stayed the Big 8, but I wasn&#039;t given a choice in the matter. But I am proud of the Big 12 and I most certainly don&#039;t think that Texas is the only good school in the conference. They&#039;re all good at what they furnish. Some of the schools are better though in sports than others. But that&#039;s also a fact in every conference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, I&#8217;m an Okie who has lived in Mizzou land for more than 40 years and an familiar with the school and its fans. The only place I&#8217;ve ever heard a Mizzou fan who is for the move into the Big 10 is on this blog site. Other than the governor, whom many of us hope is a 1-termer, and those on this site there is no wishes to leave the Bib 12 and enter the Big 10. And to those elitist Big 10ers, you&#8217;re full of it. Your schools are no better academically than those in the Big 12, nor any other conference in the nation. That includes your precious Northwestern. I frankly would rather have stayed the Big 8, but I wasn&#8217;t given a choice in the matter. But I am proud of the Big 12 and I most certainly don&#8217;t think that Texas is the only good school in the conference. They&#8217;re all good at what they furnish. Some of the schools are better though in sports than others. But that&#8217;s also a fact in every conference.</p>
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		<title>By: Wikus</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/01/31/pitt-to-the-big-ten-what-now-mizzou/comment-page-1/#comment-11816</link>
		<dc:creator>Wikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Scott, you make my point for me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, you make my point for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/01/31/pitt-to-the-big-ten-what-now-mizzou/comment-page-1/#comment-11811</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LOL.  A sense of humor when you point out what is bad about every school but your own?  If you had offered some witty points about your own school then your point may have been validated, but this was clearly not your intent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL.  A sense of humor when you point out what is bad about every school but your own?  If you had offered some witty points about your own school then your point may have been validated, but this was clearly not your intent.</p>
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		<title>By: D</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/01/31/pitt-to-the-big-ten-what-now-mizzou/comment-page-1/#comment-11810</link>
		<dc:creator>D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:18:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While the blog is enjoying what the Governor of Missouri had to say, I think the real position for many alums is this. We like the Big 12 and the rivalries that go along with it but we enjoyed the Big 8 more. Sadly, the Big 8 was not financially viable so we sold our souls to the TX schools. They are fine schools all but the management of the conference is the issue and is facing south. 
The real issue with the Big 10 is that Mizzou is  geographically a good fit, adds 1.5 TV markets of reasonable size and we can probably find a way to improve our athletic and academic standing with the extra $15M a year. Culturally, St. Louis fits into the Big 10 mold better than KC but I think the powers that be will overlook a lot just because of the dollar signs involved. This all assumes that Mizzou gets an invitation. However I think most of the northern schools will owe Mizzou a big thank you if we are able to gain enough leverage using the Big 10 to correct the Big 12 improprieties whether we stay or not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the blog is enjoying what the Governor of Missouri had to say, I think the real position for many alums is this. We like the Big 12 and the rivalries that go along with it but we enjoyed the Big 8 more. Sadly, the Big 8 was not financially viable so we sold our souls to the TX schools. They are fine schools all but the management of the conference is the issue and is facing south.<br />
The real issue with the Big 10 is that Mizzou is  geographically a good fit, adds 1.5 TV markets of reasonable size and we can probably find a way to improve our athletic and academic standing with the extra $15M a year. Culturally, St. Louis fits into the Big 10 mold better than KC but I think the powers that be will overlook a lot just because of the dollar signs involved. This all assumes that Mizzou gets an invitation. However I think most of the northern schools will owe Mizzou a big thank you if we are able to gain enough leverage using the Big 10 to correct the Big 12 improprieties whether we stay or not.</p>
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		<title>By: wikus</title>
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		<dc:creator>wikus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gee, I guess its just so easy to find out which schools have a sense of humor about themselves and which don&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, I guess its just so easy to find out which schools have a sense of humor about themselves and which don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/01/31/pitt-to-the-big-ten-what-now-mizzou/comment-page-1/#comment-11807</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The big 12 would be better off all around.  Better academics, better athletics, better looking girls, better market....I say sign them up now.

I do find it funny how the mizzou fan touts their agricultural programs while disparaging all others despite the fact that schools like A&amp;M blow them away in those fields.  Texas Tech also has an excellent engineering program as well as a pretty good law and medical school.  Baylor is a good baseball school and their women&#039;s sports blow mizzou away.  Kansas has a similar football team and far superior basketball so I guess I am confused where mizzou&#039;s supposed athletic prowess comes from.  Also if you think you are on par with any of those big 10 schools academically...you really are drinking something pretty strong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big 12 would be better off all around.  Better academics, better athletics, better looking girls, better market&#8230;.I say sign them up now.</p>
<p>I do find it funny how the mizzou fan touts their agricultural programs while disparaging all others despite the fact that schools like A&amp;M blow them away in those fields.  Texas Tech also has an excellent engineering program as well as a pretty good law and medical school.  Baylor is a good baseball school and their women&#8217;s sports blow mizzou away.  Kansas has a similar football team and far superior basketball so I guess I am confused where mizzou&#8217;s supposed athletic prowess comes from.  Also if you think you are on par with any of those big 10 schools academically&#8230;you really are drinking something pretty strong.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/01/31/pitt-to-the-big-ten-what-now-mizzou/comment-page-1/#comment-11804</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Point is, you don&#039;t have to trash other schools just to prove the point that the B12 is corrupt and unjust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point is, you don&#8217;t have to trash other schools just to prove the point that the B12 is corrupt and unjust.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 18:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Wickus,

your comment on Engineering excellence made me laugh. While it is true that most B12 are pretty weak in engineering being the best of a group of poor engineers is not a great feat at all! I am an engineer and the MU engineering program ranks at the bottom half of the top 100 public univeristies.

NU has no MSE program so I left Nebraska and went to a school with a great Engineering program, and it wasn&#039;t MU (UF)! TO say that Nebraskans aren&#039;t academic is a load of BS, the school simply chooses to focus more on the agriculture and liberal art side, like most schools do. By the way, my top 10 MSE program got me an $80k per year job after 4 years, what did you get?

I do however agree that the B12 is dominated by the South politically and needs to be changed or disolve the conference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Wickus,</p>
<p>your comment on Engineering excellence made me laugh. While it is true that most B12 are pretty weak in engineering being the best of a group of poor engineers is not a great feat at all! I am an engineer and the MU engineering program ranks at the bottom half of the top 100 public univeristies.</p>
<p>NU has no MSE program so I left Nebraska and went to a school with a great Engineering program, and it wasn&#8217;t MU (UF)! TO say that Nebraskans aren&#8217;t academic is a load of BS, the school simply chooses to focus more on the agriculture and liberal art side, like most schools do. By the way, my top 10 MSE program got me an $80k per year job after 4 years, what did you get?</p>
<p>I do however agree that the B12 is dominated by the South politically and needs to be changed or disolve the conference.</p>
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		<title>By: David in Austin</title>
		<link>http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2010/01/31/pitt-to-the-big-ten-what-now-mizzou/comment-page-1/#comment-11795</link>
		<dc:creator>David in Austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 07:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What I&#039;d like to know is this: if Missouri leaves the Big 12 and is replaced by, say, TCU, in what way is the Big 12 worse off?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I&#8217;d like to know is this: if Missouri leaves the Big 12 and is replaced by, say, TCU, in what way is the Big 12 worse off?</p>
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