Comments on: College Football Week 14: Controversy reigns http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/ Thoughts from The Oklahoman Sports Columnist Berry Tramel | NewsOK.com Thu, 16 Feb 2012 15:31:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Brian B http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5677 Brian B Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:36:49 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5677 Hey Boob.... I mean Bob get your fact straight when trying to debate or win an argument. OU has been in to 6 Bcs bowl games. ( orange, rose, sugar, orange, fiesta, fiesta.) 2-4 in the bcs, and once again Texas has been to how many bcs games?... Yeah 2. You got asses handed to you by ou for 5 years, you choked against Colorado in 2001 when ou handed you the big 12. Maybe if Texas would have take care of business all those years ( OU 6 big 12 titles to UT's 1). How many #1 rated recruiting classes has Texas had? Oh yeah 5 in the 10 years and 1 title to show. Choking is a daily occurence at Texas by your coaches. Should have scheduled better, not choked at tech, and hired espn to lobby for you. Just because your complaining worked in 2004 and the bcs jobbed a better Oregon squad. Get over it show some class, like your qb and wish us luck in beating Florida! For Florida Dave.... That's why they play the game. Last time ou went to south florida as an underdog lime this your fellow Florida bretheren look dishoveled like they didn't know what hit them an left them with a gift, 2 point saftey.. OU 38-UF 35! Maybe Hey Boob…. I mean Bob get your fact straight when trying to debate or win an argument. OU has been in to 6 Bcs bowl games. ( orange, rose, sugar, orange, fiesta, fiesta.) 2-4 in the bcs, and once again Texas has been to how many bcs games?… Yeah 2. You got asses handed to you by ou for 5 years, you choked against Colorado in 2001 when ou handed you the big 12. Maybe if Texas would have take care of business all those years ( OU 6 big 12 titles to UT’s 1). How many #1 rated recruiting classes has Texas had? Oh yeah 5 in the 10 years and 1 title to show. Choking is a daily occurence at Texas by your coaches. Should have scheduled better, not choked at tech, and hired espn to lobby for you. Just because your complaining worked in 2004 and the bcs jobbed a better Oregon squad.

Get over it show some class, like your qb and wish us luck in beating Florida! For Florida Dave…. That’s why they play the game. Last time ou went to south florida as an underdog lime this your fellow Florida bretheren look dishoveled like they didn’t know what hit them an left them with a gift, 2 point saftey.. OU 38-UF 35!

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]]> By: Bob http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5508 Bob Thu, 04 Dec 2008 23:58:13 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5508 Tim Flatt- Texas Tech had a 57 yard drive not an 80. plus, bob stoops has only won 1 BCS bowl and lost 5 while mack (thats how you spell it chokelahoma) brown is undefeated. Oh yeah some adults have a habit to call any body younger then them 'kids'. But, put that all aside the BCS took care of the mess, so if the Big 12 really wanted to have to best team going in to the BCS championship they should TEXAS VS. OKLAHOMA instead of a not so great mizzou team. Tim Flatt- Texas Tech had a 57 yard drive not an 80. plus, bob stoops has only won 1 BCS bowl and lost 5 while mack (thats how you spell it chokelahoma) brown is undefeated. Oh yeah some adults have a habit to call any body younger then them ‘kids’.

But, put that all aside the BCS took care of the mess, so if the Big 12 really wanted to have to best team going in to the BCS championship they should TEXAS VS. OKLAHOMA instead of a not so great mizzou team.

]]> By: Brian http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5476 Brian Thu, 04 Dec 2008 00:13:50 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5476 So is it just coincidence that every single other conference goes out of their way NOT to use the Big-12 tie breaking method? Instead, settling the 3 way tie straight from the BCS is 'clearly' the best method because the real reason conference champions are even named is for getting a team into the BCS national championship game? If that really is the case, than where is the outcry to ditch conference records altogether? Why is it better to use the BCS rating for 5th a tie-breaker, and not the first criteria altogether? If you have a shred of intellectual honesty, you'll be demanding the Big 12 change its rules right now, change the rules to completely ignore the win-loss records of teams, and determine the participants of the Big 12 championship game based on the BCS rating. Wait, what am I thinking ....why actually make the teams play (we’re obviously well past actual football games meaning anything) the higher ranked BCS team might lose! Better start lobbying that the team with the highest BCS rating is simply named the conference championship, right? You can't, with a straight face at least, argue that a method for performing a FIFTH tie breaker is best, if it's completely counter to the principles behind the FIRST criteria, which is what would be used with no tie at all. After all, if there really is some overriding principal we're only now becoming aware of, as the Big 12 frantically grasps for a fig leaf to deal with the national embarrassment, why should it only now come into use on a 5th tie breaker that will seldom come into play? Nah …no after the fact rationalization going on here at all ….. So is it just coincidence that every single other conference goes out of their way NOT to use the Big-12 tie breaking method? Instead, settling the 3 way tie straight from the BCS is ‘clearly’ the best method because the real reason conference champions are even named is for getting a team into the BCS national championship game?

If that really is the case, than where is the outcry to ditch conference records altogether? Why is it better to use the BCS rating for 5th a tie-breaker, and not the first criteria altogether?

If you have a shred of intellectual honesty, you’ll be demanding the Big 12 change its rules right now, change the rules to completely ignore the win-loss records of teams, and determine the participants of the Big 12 championship game based on the BCS rating.

Wait, what am I thinking ….why actually make the teams play (we’re obviously well past actual football games meaning anything) the higher ranked BCS team might lose! Better start lobbying that the team with the highest BCS rating is simply named the conference championship, right?

You can’t, with a straight face at least, argue that a method for performing a FIFTH tie breaker is best, if it’s completely counter to the principles behind the FIRST criteria, which is what would be used with no tie at all. After all, if there really is some overriding principal we’re only now becoming aware of, as the Big 12 frantically grasps for a fig leaf to deal with the national embarrassment, why should it only now come into use on a 5th tie breaker that will seldom come into play?

Nah …no after the fact rationalization going on here at all …..

]]> By: Rhett http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5454 Rhett Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:44:59 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5454 This may be old news to some, but I think it's relevant in light of the HUGE campaign Mack Brown waged to steal votes in the Harris and Coaches' polls. I can't take credit for this "research," but I can probably provide links to confirm it. In 2006, Texas A&M beat Texas in the last game of the year, and both teams finished 9-3. However, Texas finished well ahead of A&M in the Coaches' poll. In fact, A&M may not have been in the Top 25. Oh, did I mention the game was played in Austin? Anyway, with both teams sporting identical records and A&M owning the precious head-to-head win, Mack Brown voted Texas SEVEN spots ahead of A&M in the final Coaches' poll. Does this take any of the p and vinegar out of Brown's indignant lobbying this year? It does for me. This may be old news to some, but I think it’s relevant in light of the HUGE campaign Mack Brown waged to steal votes in the Harris and Coaches’ polls. I can’t take credit for this “research,” but I can probably provide links to confirm it.

In 2006, Texas A&M beat Texas in the last game of the year, and both teams finished 9-3. However, Texas finished well ahead of A&M in the Coaches’ poll. In fact, A&M may not have been in the Top 25. Oh, did I mention the game was played in Austin? Anyway, with both teams sporting identical records and A&M owning the precious head-to-head win, Mack Brown voted Texas SEVEN spots ahead of A&M in the final Coaches’ poll.

Does this take any of the p and vinegar out of Brown’s indignant lobbying this year? It does for me.

]]> By: Jeff http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5451 Jeff Wed, 03 Dec 2008 11:54:41 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5451 Bad analogy Wes. Gore won the popular vote and was cheated out of the presidency by hacks on the Supreme Court who broke all precedent to even hear the case. The result was the unnecessary war in Iraq and over 4,000 dead Americans not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. I hardly think Texas being left out of a game is hardly at the same level. Bad analogy Wes. Gore won the popular vote and was cheated out of the presidency by hacks on the Supreme Court who broke all precedent to even hear the case. The result was the unnecessary war in Iraq and over 4,000 dead Americans not to mention tens of thousands of Iraqi civilians. I hardly think Texas being left out of a game is hardly at the same level.

]]> By: colby http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5449 colby Wed, 03 Dec 2008 09:27:12 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5449 MartzMimic Says: December 2nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm Hey Pat, Boomer Sooner! It’s so sweet to get to play for our third consecutive Big 12 title AND at the expense of Texas. Life doesn’t get much better for the Sooner Nation. We know that life doesn't get much better for the sooner nation, MartzMimic. sooner nation is in oklahoma. MartzMimic Says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Hey Pat, Boomer Sooner! It’s so sweet to get to play for our third consecutive Big 12 title AND at the expense of Texas. Life doesn’t get much better for the Sooner Nation.

We know that life doesn’t get much better for the sooner nation, MartzMimic. sooner nation is in oklahoma.

]]> By: Tim Flatt http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5446 Tim Flatt Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:39:44 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5446 I just read Mac Brown’s statement that he issued when Oklahoma finished in front of Texas in the BCS. He said “I am really disappointed for our kids … I will try to explain to them”. He made similar statements as he was on countless TV shows last week campaigning for votes, suggesting that he didn’t know how he could explain this to his kids. I think that is ridiculous is the nation to believe that all “Mac’s Kids” are so stupid they won’t be able to get it. I coach high school basketball and we treat our players like young men and we teach them from day one don’t let the game be close enough that one fluke play or one bad call could cost us the game. When we lose a close game and all our parents feel like we were robbed, we remind the players this is why we can’t let this happen and never put the blame on the officials. It seems to me this is part of growing up. I guess Mac’s Kids just won’t understand: 1. Every game counts 2. That strength of schedule matters – yes that cuts both ways Texas is glad to be ahead of Utah and Boise State on that principle and Mac would have been on every show trashing Penn State and the Big 10 if they were still undefeated to move in front of them. 3. The computer is unbiased and it concluded that OU beating 4 top 15 teams including one on the road was better than Texas beating 3 top 15 teams none on the road. 4. That even though he and ESPN analysts shamed voters into voting for Texas it wasn’t enough. 5. That a three way tie breaker has three teams – that is why heads up goes out the window. 6. That giving up an 80 yard drive in the last 1:30 of the game to Tech took them out of the driver seat and they let someone/thing else decide their fate. I guess I am just amazed that Mac’s Kids can’t comprehend those facts. Now Mac suggest that if they were in two other conferences they would be in the title game, well Mac wake up your in the Big 12 and you will be home Saturday. The fact that he is trying to encourage change in the 3 way tie breaker in the Big 12 is short sighted and just plain stupid. Mac will push for it as some sort of vindication. The fact is that it is that it serves the Big 12 best to have the highest rank team advance. What if OU was 2nd Ranked and Texas had three loses but only one in the Big 12 (beating OU) and when ranked 9 and Tech was at 10. It would be a disaster for the Big 12 if they had the tie breaker at head to head of the top two teams and it kept all Big 12 teams out of the National Title game. Mac it is time to suck it up, say “we blew it in Lubbock and next time we are in the driver’s seat let’s work harder to stay there”. I just read Mac Brown’s statement that he issued when Oklahoma finished in front of Texas in the BCS. He said “I am really disappointed for our kids … I will try to explain to them”. He made similar statements as he was on countless TV shows last week campaigning for votes, suggesting that he didn’t know how he could explain this to his kids. I think that is ridiculous is the nation to believe that all “Mac’s Kids” are so stupid they won’t be able to get it. I coach high school basketball and we treat our players like young men and we teach them from day one don’t let the game be close enough that one fluke play or one bad call could cost us the game. When we lose a close game and all our parents feel like we were robbed, we remind the players this is why we can’t let this happen and never put the blame on the officials. It seems to me this is part of growing up.
I guess Mac’s Kids just won’t understand:
1. Every game counts
2. That strength of schedule matters – yes that cuts both ways Texas is glad to be ahead of Utah and Boise State on that principle and Mac would have been on every show trashing Penn State and the Big 10 if they were still undefeated to move in front of them.
3. The computer is unbiased and it concluded that OU beating 4 top 15 teams including one on the road was better than Texas beating 3 top 15 teams none on the road.
4. That even though he and ESPN analysts shamed voters into voting for Texas it wasn’t enough.
5. That a three way tie breaker has three teams – that is why heads up goes out the window.
6. That giving up an 80 yard drive in the last 1:30 of the game to Tech took them out of the driver seat and they let someone/thing else decide their fate.
I guess I am just amazed that Mac’s Kids can’t comprehend those facts. Now Mac suggest that if they were in two other conferences they would be in the title game, well Mac wake up your in the Big 12 and you will be home Saturday. The fact that he is trying to encourage change in the 3 way tie breaker in the Big 12 is short sighted and just plain stupid. Mac will push for it as some sort of vindication. The fact is that it is that it serves the Big 12 best to have the highest rank team advance. What if OU was 2nd Ranked and Texas had three loses but only one in the Big 12 (beating OU) and when ranked 9 and Tech was at 10. It would be a disaster for the Big 12 if they had the tie breaker at head to head of the top two teams and it kept all Big 12 teams out of the National Title game.
Mac it is time to suck it up, say “we blew it in Lubbock and next time we are in the driver’s seat let’s work harder to stay there”.

]]> By: Karen http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5445 Karen Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:49:19 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5445 Davey Poo... How can you say the last 20 points against Oklahoma State were garbage points when at least one of those was necessary for a victory? Because, you know... College games don't end in a tie anymore... Or didn't you know that? (I'll bet you didn't...) You're hilarious... You do realize that the "only team that could hang with Florida" very nearly lost to "stepchild" from Oklahoma AT HOME, don't you? Oh, you didn't? Not surprising... I'll bet any response from you involves Tebow and hot dogs... Because that's all you can retort with... Florida education, huh? Davey Poo… How can you say the last 20 points against Oklahoma State were garbage points when at least one of those was necessary for a victory? Because, you know… College games don’t end in a tie anymore… Or didn’t you know that? (I’ll bet you didn’t…)

You’re hilarious… You do realize that the “only team that could hang with Florida” very nearly lost to “stepchild” from Oklahoma AT HOME, don’t you? Oh, you didn’t? Not surprising…

I’ll bet any response from you involves Tebow and hot dogs… Because that’s all you can retort with… Florida education, huh?

]]> By: Karen http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5444 Karen Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:45:17 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5444 It should be OU versus Texas in KC this weekend. If you really want the two best teams in the conference playing - there you go... As far as UT over UF, I totally agree... I don't understand the love fest with UF... OR why they get a free pass for losing to the SEC equivalent of Kansas AT HOME - missed PAT or not... For some reason, the media is infatuated with Florida and has been for awhile... Maybe it's Tebow... Maybe it's Urban Meyer... I don't know... But the fact remains that Florida beat a bunch of nobodies - a couple of which were totally overrated (LSU anyone???) - that inflated their national standing and their sense of "being hot"... I'd be all for an OU/Texas BCS Championship Game, rather than a team that played (albeit in a dominant fashion) in an overrated conference... It should be OU versus Texas in KC this weekend. If you really want the two best teams in the conference playing – there you go…

As far as UT over UF, I totally agree… I don’t understand the love fest with UF… OR why they get a free pass for losing to the SEC equivalent of Kansas AT HOME – missed PAT or not… For some reason, the media is infatuated with Florida and has been for awhile… Maybe it’s Tebow… Maybe it’s Urban Meyer… I don’t know… But the fact remains that Florida beat a bunch of nobodies – a couple of which were totally overrated (LSU anyone???) – that inflated their national standing and their sense of “being hot”… I’d be all for an OU/Texas BCS Championship Game, rather than a team that played (albeit in a dominant fashion) in an overrated conference…

]]> By: Stewart http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/comment-page-1/#comment-5443 Stewart Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:17:46 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/12/02/college-football-week-14-controversy-reigns/#comment-5443 Shepard, be cool. I I am only arguing UT over Florida. Never whined at all about OU Shepard, be cool. I

I am only arguing UT over Florida. Never whined at all about OU

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