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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 07:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Stallions?  Are you a 4th grade girl?</description>
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		<title>By: Richard Meier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Meier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 02:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You rednecks are a bunch of idiots. you guys have no idea the implications of the sonics, trying shelling out nearly a billion dollars of tax payers money and then ask for tax payers to pay even more for another arena. there is nothing wrong the Key Arena, the NBA is just a bunch of little kids who have to cry because they didnt jump towards getting a new arena before both the NBA and MLB did too. Plus his royal smugness is facing an up-hill battle against Schultz because of dum@$$ Bennett&#039;s love for e-mailing. I hope you redneck&#039;s dont get an NBA team, especially not the Sonics, nothing makes sense about the movement... By the way: Chris Jackson youre a homo... the stallions... are you serious. wow. go ride a pink bull with your stallions idea. wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You rednecks are a bunch of idiots. you guys have no idea the implications of the sonics, trying shelling out nearly a billion dollars of tax payers money and then ask for tax payers to pay even more for another arena. there is nothing wrong the Key Arena, the NBA is just a bunch of little kids who have to cry because they didnt jump towards getting a new arena before both the NBA and MLB did too. Plus his royal smugness is facing an up-hill battle against Schultz because of dum@$$ Bennett&#8217;s love for e-mailing. I hope you redneck&#8217;s dont get an NBA team, especially not the Sonics, nothing makes sense about the movement&#8230; By the way: Chris Jackson youre a homo&#8230; the stallions&#8230; are you serious. wow. go ride a pink bull with your stallions idea. wow.</p>
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		<title>By: mitch farris</title>
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		<dc:creator>mitch farris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>some names just don&#039;t sound right when a city has the name of  state
example: new york city knicks doesn&#039;t sound right  kansas city chiefs does new york city  yankees yuk! kansas city royals sounds good.
oklahoma drillers oklahoma barons  oklahoma whatevers (mayors choice) all sound good drop the city</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>some names just don&#8217;t sound right when a city has the name of  state<br />
example: new york city knicks doesn&#8217;t sound right  kansas city chiefs does new york city  yankees yuk! kansas city royals sounds good.<br />
oklahoma drillers oklahoma barons  oklahoma whatevers (mayors choice) all sound good drop the city</p>
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		<title>By: chris jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they should be called the Oklahoma City Stallions.</description>
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		<title>By: mickey</title>
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		<dc:creator>mickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry

Did you really say all those things?  Did your mouth write a check your Ass can&#039;t cash?

We have a big mouth sports radio host up here named Softy Mahler.  He made a stupid bet about a UW/WSU Football game. He promised to ride a bike all the way from Seattle to Pullman if WSU won.  They did.  To his credit his credit he manned up and this 280 pound Donut eating machine actually did ride the bike the 300 miles to Pullman from Seattle.  He hardly bitched at all.

Man up Barry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry</p>
<p>Did you really say all those things?  Did your mouth write a check your Ass can&#8217;t cash?</p>
<p>We have a big mouth sports radio host up here named Softy Mahler.  He made a stupid bet about a UW/WSU Football game. He promised to ride a bike all the way from Seattle to Pullman if WSU won.  They did.  To his credit his credit he manned up and this 280 pound Donut eating machine actually did ride the bike the 300 miles to Pullman from Seattle.  He hardly bitched at all.</p>
<p>Man up Barry.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It should be OKC, since we are the ones that has to pay the taxes. No other cities has to pay the extra tax.</description>
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		<title>By: Seatown Balla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seatown Balla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was sent this by someone off of HornetsReport. Berry Trammel the OKC 
&quot;writer&quot;, after Katrina was gloating about &quot;Schools just being opened, why 
should you be a major league city&quot; (refering to NOLA) this is his offer 
involving parking cars of all the fans at the NOLA Arena if the Hornets 
played another game in NOLA. 

So far...He&#039;s not fullfilled the bet...This is a typical OKC condesending bs 
thing that might get a few laughs. 

This (right) is an exchange of emails between Oklahoman &quot;Newsman&quot; 
Berry Trammel and fans of NOLA after the Hornets went to OKC after Katrina. 
Note the smugness and condesending attitude about STEALING the Hornets. 

Best part is his &quot;I will park everyone&#039;s car at the NOLA Arena IF they 
return to La. Second best is the &quot;I am not&quot; when the poster calls him a &quot;child&quot;...  

Needless to say it&#039;s funny, might be worth a laugh and he still hasn&#039;t 
parked anyone&#039;s car while his Ford Center sits empty and Clay Satan tries to 
jack my Supes... 

So Okies (EVEN MEDIA!, who I might add are EMPLOYED BY CLAY BENNETT) can gloat about Katrina but turn about&#039;s not fair play...Hmmmmm 






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email thread re: Berry the Valet 

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94... here you go - thread starts at the bottom and works its way 
up... 
[quick epilogue: to his credit, he was responsive once he lost the 
wager - and he and I have been in touch to coordinate possible dates for him 
to come down and do his thing... hasn&#039;t happened yet, but we&#039;re planning on 
doing it sometime in the future...] 

----- Original Message ---- 

To: BTramel@Oklahoman.com 
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:09:21 AM 
Subject: Hello again - long time no speak... 


Berry, 
Hello again - I&#039;m contacting you to make arrangements for our wager 
(see below). 
Please advise on your travel schedule once it is arranged. 
All the best, 
(name hidden) 


----- Forwarded Message ---- 
From: Berry Tramel  

Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2006 12:22:21 PM 
Subject: RE: about your column: &quot;Hornets are Step Closer to Staying&quot; 
12/31/05 


(name hidden): Look, best of luck to New Orleans, which this week opened SCHOOL 
for the first time in eight months yet still is clamoring about being a 
major-league city. I am communication with NBA people, who for political 
reasons can&#039;t say what&#039;s really going on, but let me assure you, if the 
Hornets are in New Orleans in November 2007, I will show up at the New 
Orleans Arena and valet everyone&#039;s car. 

-----Original Message----- 

Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:05 PM 
To: Berry Tramel 
Subject: RE: about your column: &quot;Hornets are Step Closer to Staying&quot; 
12/31/05 


&gt; the Hornets are moving two more games back to OKC 

...as part of a plan to play the remaining 3 in New 
Orleans when the Arena is ready in March. Interesting 
you don&#039;t mention that part - does it not fit the 
narrative you&#039;ve manufactured? Your laziness in 
reporting this story is notable. I think you are 
doing a crap service to your readership. 

Look, if you had been around the block in the NBA, 
which you haven&#039;t, you&#039;d know more about the process 
of relocating a franchise. You&#039;d know more about the 
league governance issues, you&#039;d know more about how 
difficult it is to unwind contracts with local 
municipalities, and you&#039;d know more about the 
economics of regional sports television networks, of 
which the Hornets are a flagship property across the 
2.5 million person Gulf South. 

The NBA, like every major U.S. sports leagues, is a 
quasi-socialist enterprise: it pools its franchises 
into collective by-laws, it relies on revenue sharing 
from broadcast fees and it enjoys major subsidies from 
the government (Arenas, tax-breaks, etc.) Media 
conglomerates and State governments are kinda 
important to the NBA, and the League is extremely 
sensitive about being a good partner, lest they 
compromise their standing in other markets (read 
Seattle, Orlando, Toronto where negotiations are 
currently underway) 

Responsible people in OKC are graciously hosting the 
Hornets and extending the courtesies that the rest of 
the country extended to your city in 1994 and would 
gladly extend again. What&#039;s unfortunate about your 
work, and your responses to me, is that you instead 
are cheerleading a Hornets relocation and are trying 
to take advantage of a profound tragedy. 

I look forward to mailing you my ticket stub from the 
Hornets home opener in 2007. Hopefully by then you 
will have the clarity to look back at your actions at 
this time and wonder how you so easily lost your moral 
compass. 


--- Berry Tramel  wrote: 

&gt; (name hidden): No I&#039;m not. And the Hornets are moving two more 
&gt; games back to OKC. 
&gt; 
&gt; -----Original Message----- 
&gt; 
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 PM 
&gt; To: Berry Tramel 
&gt; Subject: RE: about your column: &quot;Hornets are Step 
&gt; Closer to Staying&quot; 
&gt; 12/31/05 
&gt; 
&gt; 
&gt; You are a child. 
&gt; 
&gt; --- Berry Tramel  wrote: 
&gt; 
&gt; &gt; (name hidden): Thanks for writing. You&#039;re wrong. The NBA is 
&gt; &gt; punting New Orleans. 
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; -----Original Message----- 
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:40 PM 
&gt; &gt; To: Berry Tramel 
&gt; &gt; Subject: about your column: &quot;Hornets are Step 
&gt; Closer 
&gt; &gt; to Staying&quot; 
&gt; &gt; 12/31/05 
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; &quot;If the Saints ever say the return is permanent, 
&gt; &gt; then 
&gt; &gt; it&#039;s automatic. The Hornets-New Orleans marriage 
&gt; &gt; officially is annulled.&quot; 
&gt; &gt; 
&gt; &gt; That statement is one of the stupidest, most 
&gt; &gt; pedestrian things I saw in print in all of 2005 - 
&gt; &gt; Congratulations. I&#039;m accustomed to reading 
&gt; wind-bag 
&gt; &gt; columns, but this one takes the cake. You know 
&gt; &gt; pathetically little about the situation with the 
&gt; &gt; Saints, or for that matter, the Hornets, and you 
&gt; &gt; might 
&gt; &gt; as well have posted it on your forehead</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was sent this by someone off of HornetsReport. Berry Trammel the OKC<br />
&#8220;writer&#8221;, after Katrina was gloating about &#8220;Schools just being opened, why<br />
should you be a major league city&#8221; (refering to NOLA) this is his offer<br />
involving parking cars of all the fans at the NOLA Arena if the Hornets<br />
played another game in NOLA. </p>
<p>So far&#8230;He&#8217;s not fullfilled the bet&#8230;This is a typical OKC condesending bs<br />
thing that might get a few laughs. </p>
<p>This (right) is an exchange of emails between Oklahoman &#8220;Newsman&#8221;<br />
Berry Trammel and fans of NOLA after the Hornets went to OKC after Katrina.<br />
Note the smugness and condesending attitude about STEALING the Hornets. </p>
<p>Best part is his &#8220;I will park everyone&#8217;s car at the NOLA Arena IF they<br />
return to La. Second best is the &#8220;I am not&#8221; when the poster calls him a &#8220;child&#8221;&#8230;  </p>
<p>Needless to say it&#8217;s funny, might be worth a laugh and he still hasn&#8217;t<br />
parked anyone&#8217;s car while his Ford Center sits empty and Clay Satan tries to<br />
jack my Supes&#8230; </p>
<p>So Okies (EVEN MEDIA!, who I might add are EMPLOYED BY CLAY BENNETT) can gloat about Katrina but turn about&#8217;s not fair play&#8230;Hmmmmm </p>
<p>Contributor </p>
<p>Join Date: Jan 2002 </p>
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<p>email thread re: Berry the Valet </p>
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<p>94&#8230; here you go &#8211; thread starts at the bottom and works its way<br />
up&#8230;<br />
[quick epilogue: to his credit, he was responsive once he lost the<br />
wager - and he and I have been in touch to coordinate possible dates for him<br />
to come down and do his thing... hasn't happened yet, but we're planning on<br />
doing it sometime in the future...] </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;- </p>
<p>To: <a href="mailto:BTramel@Oklahoman.com">BTramel@Oklahoman.com</a><br />
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 12:09:21 AM<br />
Subject: Hello again &#8211; long time no speak&#8230; </p>
<p>Berry,<br />
Hello again &#8211; I&#8217;m contacting you to make arrangements for our wager<br />
(see below).<br />
Please advise on your travel schedule once it is arranged.<br />
All the best,<br />
(name hidden) </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211; Forwarded Message &#8212;-<br />
From: Berry Tramel  </p>
<p>Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2006 12:22:21 PM<br />
Subject: RE: about your column: &#8220;Hornets are Step Closer to Staying&#8221;<br />
12/31/05 </p>
<p>(name hidden): Look, best of luck to New Orleans, which this week opened SCHOOL<br />
for the first time in eight months yet still is clamoring about being a<br />
major-league city. I am communication with NBA people, who for political<br />
reasons can&#8217;t say what&#8217;s really going on, but let me assure you, if the<br />
Hornets are in New Orleans in November 2007, I will show up at the New<br />
Orleans Arena and valet everyone&#8217;s car. </p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211; </p>
<p>Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 12:05 PM<br />
To: Berry Tramel<br />
Subject: RE: about your column: &#8220;Hornets are Step Closer to Staying&#8221;<br />
12/31/05 </p>
<p>&gt; the Hornets are moving two more games back to OKC </p>
<p>&#8230;as part of a plan to play the remaining 3 in New<br />
Orleans when the Arena is ready in March. Interesting<br />
you don&#8217;t mention that part &#8211; does it not fit the<br />
narrative you&#8217;ve manufactured? Your laziness in<br />
reporting this story is notable. I think you are<br />
doing a crap service to your readership. </p>
<p>Look, if you had been around the block in the NBA,<br />
which you haven&#8217;t, you&#8217;d know more about the process<br />
of relocating a franchise. You&#8217;d know more about the<br />
league governance issues, you&#8217;d know more about how<br />
difficult it is to unwind contracts with local<br />
municipalities, and you&#8217;d know more about the<br />
economics of regional sports television networks, of<br />
which the Hornets are a flagship property across the<br />
2.5 million person Gulf South. </p>
<p>The NBA, like every major U.S. sports leagues, is a<br />
quasi-socialist enterprise: it pools its franchises<br />
into collective by-laws, it relies on revenue sharing<br />
from broadcast fees and it enjoys major subsidies from<br />
the government (Arenas, tax-breaks, etc.) Media<br />
conglomerates and State governments are kinda<br />
important to the NBA, and the League is extremely<br />
sensitive about being a good partner, lest they<br />
compromise their standing in other markets (read<br />
Seattle, Orlando, Toronto where negotiations are<br />
currently underway) </p>
<p>Responsible people in OKC are graciously hosting the<br />
Hornets and extending the courtesies that the rest of<br />
the country extended to your city in 1994 and would<br />
gladly extend again. What&#8217;s unfortunate about your<br />
work, and your responses to me, is that you instead<br />
are cheerleading a Hornets relocation and are trying<br />
to take advantage of a profound tragedy. </p>
<p>I look forward to mailing you my ticket stub from the<br />
Hornets home opener in 2007. Hopefully by then you<br />
will have the clarity to look back at your actions at<br />
this time and wonder how you so easily lost your moral<br />
compass. </p>
<p>&#8212; Berry Tramel  wrote: </p>
<p>&gt; (name hidden): No I&#8217;m not. And the Hornets are moving two more<br />
&gt; games back to OKC.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; &#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 5:51 PM<br />
&gt; To: Berry Tramel<br />
&gt; Subject: RE: about your column: &#8220;Hornets are Step<br />
&gt; Closer to Staying&#8221;<br />
&gt; 12/31/05<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; You are a child.<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; &#8212; Berry Tramel  wrote:<br />
&gt;<br />
&gt; &gt; (name hidden): Thanks for writing. You&#8217;re wrong. The NBA is<br />
&gt; &gt; punting New Orleans.<br />
&gt; &gt;<br />
&gt; &gt; &#8212;&#8211;Original Message&#8212;&#8211;<br />
&gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2006 2:40 PM<br />
&gt; &gt; To: Berry Tramel<br />
&gt; &gt; Subject: about your column: &#8220;Hornets are Step<br />
&gt; Closer<br />
&gt; &gt; to Staying&#8221;<br />
&gt; &gt; 12/31/05<br />
&gt; &gt;<br />
&gt; &gt;<br />
&gt; &gt; &#8220;If the Saints ever say the return is permanent,<br />
&gt; &gt; then<br />
&gt; &gt; it&#8217;s automatic. The Hornets-New Orleans marriage<br />
&gt; &gt; officially is annulled.&#8221;<br />
&gt; &gt;<br />
&gt; &gt; That statement is one of the stupidest, most<br />
&gt; &gt; pedestrian things I saw in print in all of 2005 &#8211;<br />
&gt; &gt; Congratulations. I&#8217;m accustomed to reading<br />
&gt; wind-bag<br />
&gt; &gt; columns, but this one takes the cake. You know<br />
&gt; &gt; pathetically little about the situation with the<br />
&gt; &gt; Saints, or for that matter, the Hornets, and you<br />
&gt; &gt; might<br />
&gt; &gt; as well have posted it on your forehead</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 15:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of talk about Seattle being child like and silly and crying like babies. Wonder what we would be like if the shoe was on the other foot. ?? Could happen down the road when OKC is asked to support building a new play pen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of talk about Seattle being child like and silly and crying like babies. Wonder what we would be like if the shoe was on the other foot. ?? Could happen down the road when OKC is asked to support building a new play pen.</p>
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