Comments on: Thoughts on the final AP poll http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/ Thoughts from The Oklahoman Sports Columnist Berry Tramel | NewsOK.com Thu, 16 Feb 2012 04:42:24 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: CHUCK http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-1580 CHUCK Thu, 17 Jan 2008 15:59:04 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/#comment-1580 I don't necessarily disagree with your rankings but the problem with OU is reinforced by the ranking with which you rewarded them. They have been overrated in the polls and their own minds ever since the lucky national championship Stoops fell into with Mike Leach's offense and quarterback in 2000. They have never been a real threat to win it again since and I predict that Stoops will never win another. He is great at making OU fans believe in the greatness of their team but the truth is that OU is a notch below the contenders who have more talent and depth, like USC, LSU, GA and FLA. He will never support a playoff because that would truly prevent another NC for OU in his lifetime. I don’t necessarily disagree with your rankings but the problem with OU is reinforced by the ranking with which you rewarded them. They have been overrated in the polls and their own minds ever since the lucky national championship Stoops fell into with Mike Leach’s offense and quarterback in 2000. They have never been a real threat to win it again since and I predict that Stoops will never win another. He is great at making OU fans believe in the greatness of their team but the truth is that OU is a notch below the contenders who have more talent and depth, like USC, LSU, GA and FLA. He will never support a playoff because that would truly prevent another NC for OU in his lifetime.

]]> By: J. Childers http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-1532 J. Childers Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:04:49 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/#comment-1532 The day the Sooners stop celebrating their conference championship for a month and prepare for a bowl game, then the four game BCS skid will end. I am an OSU fan and I cannot believe the change in the OU mindset over the last twenty years. The Switzer-coached Sooners celebrated national championships and were disappointed with anything less. The day the Sooners stop celebrating their conference championship for a month and prepare for a bowl game, then the four game BCS skid will end. I am an OSU fan and I cannot believe the change in the OU mindset over the last twenty years. The Switzer-coached Sooners celebrated national championships and were disappointed with anything less.

]]> By: Danny http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-1449 Danny Wed, 09 Jan 2008 05:05:22 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/#comment-1449 Typical Tramel/OU suckup/coverup/BS. Listless performance? OU got their arses kicked, got outcoached again, and totally embarrassed themselves and the rest of the Big 12 with another loser performance on the national stage. When is Berry Tramel going to grow a pair and go after Stoops or Granger like he does Gundy? My guess is never, because Tramel is a Gooner lackey and Stoops suckup/arse-kisser. Tramel leaving OU at #5 just goes to show everyone what a freakin' loser/brown-nose he is. You're pathetic, Tramel. The older you get, the less credible you become. Well, better get busy making up those Sooner excuse stories again, BT. Typical Tramel/OU suckup/coverup/BS.

Listless performance?
OU got their arses kicked, got outcoached again, and totally embarrassed themselves and the rest of the Big 12 with another loser performance on the national stage.

When is Berry Tramel going to grow a pair and go after Stoops or Granger like he does Gundy?
My guess is never, because Tramel is a Gooner lackey and Stoops suckup/arse-kisser.

Tramel leaving OU at #5 just goes to show everyone what a freakin’ loser/brown-nose he is.
You’re pathetic, Tramel.
The older you get, the less credible you become.

Well, better get busy making up those Sooner excuse stories again, BT.

]]> By: Tom http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-1447 Tom Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:42:13 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/#comment-1447 I agree with ranking the Big 12 teams in that order, but you have to give the Jayhawks more credit. They were unbeaten on the road, including a win in Boulder -- something the Sooners were not able to accomplish. I agree with ranking the Big 12 teams in that order, but you have to give the Jayhawks more credit. They were unbeaten on the road, including a win in Boulder — something the Sooners were not able to accomplish.

]]> By: Jeff from Vermont http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-1439 Jeff from Vermont Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:54:05 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/#comment-1439 Berry, I agree with your assessment of all of this. I was not excited about last nights game at all. I think its a real issue that a team comes out 7.5 weeks later and tries to play competative football. It is a joke. If anything needs to change, it is that. Tired of the SEC is better than everyone else thing.........Tired of TOSU still getting respect after such a loss when OU gets dropped so far. Which sets up TOSU opening in next years poll anywhere from 2-5, which sets up a scenario like we had this year. Maybe they should just have a bye week....11 times. Which would still bring them in around 2 at the end of the year. They need to get kicked to the curb for awhile until the beef up their schedule and play a conference championship.....or at least an extra late season game. I understand that the PAC Ten and Big 11 are the linchpins behind any progressions in this system. But the PAC 10 at least, plays games late. USC is primed going into Bowl season. The Big 11 champ has 7.5 weeks of rust on. sucks to see them (and as of late OU) playing for anything. I have given my thoughts on OU and others see the same thing. It is no secret. If Stoops is really about winning championships, then we will see the adjustment in attitude. If not, get real comfortable with winning the Big 12, losing a couple of lack-of-focus games and losing a bowl game. That is the current pattern...it has been established and it is the area to be addressed. Leadership, greater depth and mostly...the kids themselves will make the changes. Until then, they should mothball all the trophies and close the Switzer Center. Or at least not allow the players in there, til they want to prove they belong. You all get it........overboard for sure.....but I can't stand the blueblood attitude that you are somebody when you aren't. Prove it.....and consistently. I still don't want to hear about it after that. Be proud.....be humble and be hungry. Record highs here still....sun is out....and i don't care about Roger Clemens....by the way. Have you seen a bigger circus then steroids, MLB (which I love), lawyers, Congressmen and just plain stupidity. Pass some guidelines and get on with it. I have often wondered over the years, why the IOC was so tough on athletes....least they know what they can't do. Our major sports could take a lesson. Later! Jeff Berry, your forum makes me want to rant. I apologize, but I do always feel better after. So thanks! Berry,

I agree with your assessment of all of this. I was not excited about last nights game at all.

I think its a real issue that a team comes out 7.5 weeks later and tries to play competative football. It is a joke. If anything needs to change, it is that.

Tired of the SEC is better than everyone else thing………Tired of TOSU still getting respect after such a loss when OU gets dropped so far. Which sets up TOSU opening in next years poll anywhere from 2-5, which sets up a scenario like we had this year. Maybe they should just have a bye week….11 times. Which would still bring them in around 2 at the end of the year. They need to get kicked to the curb for awhile until the beef up their schedule and play a conference championship…..or at least an extra late season game.

I understand that the PAC Ten and Big 11 are the linchpins behind any progressions in this system. But the PAC 10 at least, plays games late. USC is primed going into Bowl season. The Big 11 champ has 7.5 weeks of rust on. sucks to see them (and as of late OU) playing for anything.

I have given my thoughts on OU and others see the same thing. It is no secret. If Stoops is really about winning championships, then we will see the adjustment in attitude. If not, get real comfortable with winning the Big 12, losing a couple of lack-of-focus games and losing a bowl game. That is the current pattern…it has been established and it is the area to be addressed.

Leadership, greater depth and mostly…the kids themselves will make the changes. Until then, they should mothball all the trophies and close the Switzer Center. Or at least not allow the players in there, til they want to prove they belong.

You all get it……..overboard for sure…..but I can’t stand the blueblood attitude that you are somebody when you aren’t. Prove it…..and consistently. I still don’t want to hear about it after that. Be proud…..be humble and be hungry.

Record highs here still….sun is out….and i don’t care about Roger Clemens….by the way. Have you seen a bigger circus then steroids, MLB (which I love), lawyers, Congressmen and just plain stupidity. Pass some guidelines and get on with it.

I have often wondered over the years, why the IOC was so tough on athletes….least they know what they can’t do. Our major sports could take a lesson.

Later!
Jeff

Berry, your forum makes me want to rant. I apologize, but I do always feel better after. So thanks!

]]> By: Jason Taylor http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/comment-page-1/#comment-1438 Jason Taylor Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:58:29 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2008/01/08/thoughts-on-the-final-ap-poll/#comment-1438 I totally agree with your rankings Berry. If OU can ever change their attitude that they have developed over the past few years that Malcolm Kelly preached to some fans coming back from Arizona. He told them that the Fiesta Bowl didn't matter b/c it was not a national championship game. Well, it is still a championship game. It may not matter on a national stage but it's still a game that should have and would have been won had OU showed up to play like they did against Mizzou. Stoops had better start with an attitude adjustment b/c if he doesn't, Stoops could be out of a job. He is a great coach but he has got to get everything out of his players and right now he isn't doing that. I totally agree with your rankings Berry. If OU can ever change their attitude that they have developed over the past few years that Malcolm Kelly preached to some fans coming back from Arizona. He told them that the Fiesta Bowl didn’t matter b/c it was not a national championship game. Well, it is still a championship game. It may not matter on a national stage but it’s still a game that should have and would have been won had OU showed up to play like they did against Mizzou. Stoops had better start with an attitude adjustment b/c if he doesn’t, Stoops could be out of a job. He is a great coach but he has got to get everything out of his players and right now he isn’t doing that.

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