Comments on: Voting nonsense http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/ Thoughts from The Oklahoman Sports Columnist Berry Tramel | NewsOK.com Thu, 16 Feb 2012 03:03:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Don Lister http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-960 Don Lister Sat, 08 Dec 2007 03:11:33 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/#comment-960 Say what you want but a National Champion will be decided on the football field between great football teams and not decided on infomation sent to a computer!! When you have several teams that we all think should have a shot at the #1 title. "Play-off" the only way! Don Lister Marlow Ok Say what you want but a National Champion will be decided on the football field between great football teams and not decided on infomation sent to a computer!! When you have several teams that we all think should have a shot at the #1 title. “Play-off” the only way!
Don Lister
Marlow Ok

]]> By: Britton Thurlow http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-939 Britton Thurlow Thu, 06 Dec 2007 15:13:56 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/#comment-939 I don't understand how voting and football ever got in the same conversation. Isn't the whole idea of sports to prove that you are better than someone else? And the whole concept of a physical sport like football to prove it on the field (against the other team). Voting is for Ice skating. I'm suprised they don't have one team take the field for 30 min (by them selves) and then the other team take the field for 30 min. and then vote on who did the best. Football was meant to be played against each other and after 60 min check the scoreboard... not the ballot box I don’t understand how voting and football ever got in the same conversation. Isn’t the whole idea of sports to prove that you are better than someone else? And the whole concept of a physical sport like football to prove it on the field (against the other team). Voting is for Ice skating. I’m suprised they don’t have one team take the field for 30 min (by them selves) and then the other team take the field for 30 min. and then vote on who did the best. Football was meant to be played against each other and after 60 min check the scoreboard… not the ballot box

]]> By: Jeff from Vermont http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-928 Jeff from Vermont Wed, 05 Dec 2007 22:51:40 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/#comment-928 I agree about the voting. When it is that clear of a pattern, how much sense does it really make to have coaches voting. Yeah, even sports writers would apply. Plus, you get to vote for yourself (if you are a coach). You want to believe that repect for the profession, for programs and plain common sense would prevail. Clearly, it doesn't. People will run through whatever hole is given. Its human nature. Its like the paperboy giving you a paper by mistake when you don't subscribe. How many people send it back? This attitude is even greater if it is an accepted practice. This thing is not going to change until the Chancellors, President, Regents and whoever else looks at budgets and marketing plans for these schools, see that there is indeed a better way. That way, in theory, is a playoff. I am pro-play-off. Berry, I challenge you to look into and do a story about this next point: Not a Playoff vs. the current system (BCS)....but the logistics of moving a team...the cost of all that happens. This is really the reason. The bowl system is a known entity. Schools can make plans, handle the logistics, their fans can travel. How often do you here that teams are chosen because of how well they travel? Greatest example of this being Notre Dame. Look at some of the bowl bids they have received against teams with the same or a better record over the years. Why? Because their fans travel well, ensuring more ticket sales. Bowl committees like to match teams for this reason. Not so much on the record itself, instead, how many people are you going to draw. I go back to my example of the ACC championship this year. What did they have......25-30,000 people there. It was a joke. It was at a neutral site and the teams BC and VATECH played great. It was really entertaining until the 4th quarter. I saw all of that on TV. As did most of each schools fans.....because they weren't at the game. Play-off games at neutral sites would add up to this same scenario. It would be logical for higher seed teams to get home games. What are you going to do though, when say, Rutgers, after playing their last game on Saturday night, watches the play-off selection show, and find out they are going to USC. They win...and then in a week, comeback to face Boston College. Win....and then turn around and have to go to Oregon......win and then play for the title in New Orleans. Hypothetical and laughable......but possible in a play-off system. Some will argue that the division below does it. Sure they do.....in mostly empty stadiums. The games look like soccer games in terms of fan support. This is why it won't happen. I haven't even talked about the NFL and how much they will scream if the NCAA wants to use all of those Saturdays through New Years. They know how hot College Football is. They know that someone will support their school before they buy a ticket for a pro game. Not to mention the entertainment factor and the TV veiwing audience. I would much rather watch college ball. Basketball as well. There is so much to this....but the lack of a play-off is within this argument. Berry.....this is it. Look into it. No one talks about this side of it. But this is the reason. Anyway, I have loved this season and become a bigger fan each year. I also enjoy it all that much more because of Mr. Tramel's insight and columns. Keep up the great work and thanks for letting a novice like me share an opinion in this format. Jeff I agree about the voting. When it is that clear of a pattern, how much sense does it really make to have coaches voting. Yeah, even sports writers would apply. Plus, you get to vote for yourself (if you are a coach). You want to believe that repect for the profession, for programs and plain common sense would prevail. Clearly, it doesn’t.

People will run through whatever hole is given. Its human nature. Its like the paperboy giving you a paper by mistake when you don’t subscribe. How many people send it back? This attitude is even greater if it is an accepted practice. This thing is not going to change until the Chancellors, President, Regents and whoever else looks at budgets and marketing plans for these schools, see that there is indeed a better way. That way, in theory, is a playoff. I am pro-play-off.

Berry, I challenge you to look into and do a story about this next point: Not a Playoff vs. the current system (BCS)….but the logistics of moving a team…the cost of all that happens. This is really the reason. The bowl system is a known entity. Schools can make plans, handle the logistics, their fans can travel. How often do you here that teams are chosen because of how well they travel? Greatest example of this being Notre Dame. Look at some of the bowl bids they have received against teams with the same or a better record over the years. Why? Because their fans travel well, ensuring more ticket sales.

Bowl committees like to match teams for this reason. Not so much on the record itself, instead, how many people are you going to draw. I go back to my example of the ACC championship this year. What did they have……25-30,000 people there. It was a joke. It was at a neutral site and the teams BC and VATECH played great. It was really entertaining until the 4th quarter. I saw all of that on TV. As did most of each schools fans…..because they weren’t at the game.

Play-off games at neutral sites would add up to this same scenario. It would be logical for higher seed teams to get home games. What are you going to do though, when say, Rutgers, after playing their last game on Saturday night, watches the play-off selection show, and find out they are going to USC. They win…and then in a week, comeback to face Boston College. Win….and then turn around and have to go to Oregon……win and then play for the title in New Orleans. Hypothetical and laughable……but possible in a play-off system.

Some will argue that the division below does it. Sure they do…..in mostly empty stadiums. The games look like soccer games in terms of fan support. This is why it won’t happen. I haven’t even talked about the NFL and how much they will scream if the NCAA wants to use all of those Saturdays through New Years. They know how hot College Football is. They know that someone will support their school before they buy a ticket for a pro game. Not to mention the entertainment factor and the TV veiwing audience. I would much rather watch college ball. Basketball as well.

There is so much to this….but the lack of a play-off is within this argument. Berry…..this is it. Look into it. No one talks about this side of it. But this is the reason.

Anyway, I have loved this season and become a bigger fan each year. I also enjoy it all that much more because of Mr. Tramel’s insight and columns. Keep up the great work and thanks for letting a novice like me share an opinion in this format.

Jeff

]]> By: Don Lister http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-921 Don Lister Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:26:10 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/#comment-921 I agree with Berry Tramel about voteing. Voters should be required to at least watch or read the stats of football games. I am a die hard Oklahoma fan but I feel for the University of Missouri. Being the No. 1 BCS team and losing to No. 9 BCS team is no reason to be ousted from the BCS Bowl Committee and Kansas gets a berth? Missouri just beat them a couple of weeks ago? Don't make sinse and something needs to be changed and I think the majority of football fans would agree. Also the Coaches voteing sucks. There were Coaches voteing this last weekend that had to care less about the rateings or had a grudge against some other University. Maybe someday with the help of the media we can get some changes. Don Lister Marlow Oklahoma I agree with Berry Tramel about voteing. Voters should be required to at least watch or read the stats of football games. I am a die hard Oklahoma fan but I feel for the University of Missouri. Being the No. 1 BCS team and losing to No. 9 BCS team is no reason to be ousted from the BCS Bowl Committee and Kansas gets a berth? Missouri just beat them a couple of weeks ago? Don’t make sinse and something needs to be changed and I think the majority of football fans would agree. Also the Coaches voteing sucks. There were Coaches voteing this last weekend that had to care less about the rateings or had a grudge against some other University. Maybe someday with the help of the media we can get some changes.
Don Lister
Marlow Oklahoma

]]> By: MadmaxOkc http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/comment-page-1/#comment-906 MadmaxOkc Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:11:38 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/04/voting-nonsense/#comment-906 I am not suprise that some of the coaches submitted the ballot before the game (just like filling out the bracket). I am not suprise that some of the coaches submitted the ballot before the game (just like filling out the bracket).

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