Comments on: OU-Mizzou: Arguing with logic http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/ Thoughts from The Oklahoman Sports Columnist Berry Tramel | NewsOK.com Thu, 16 Feb 2012 18:28:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Exie Sima http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-71821 Exie Sima Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:43:51 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/#comment-71821 Football Pool Leaders - James Sweeney, Dave Vespia, Anthony Simeone, Mike Dejesus, Mike Lonardo, Alex Cort & Mike Foley (5-2) Football Pool Leaders – James Sweeney, Dave Vespia, Anthony Simeone, Mike Dejesus, Mike Lonardo, Alex Cort & Mike Foley (5-2)

]]> By: Ron Cherry http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-920 Ron Cherry Wed, 05 Dec 2007 16:25:27 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/#comment-920 Blaming computers is silly. Computers just execute programs. Program designers are the culprits; they have a tough job though; they have to distill into programmable expressions common sense. For instance, common sense would say a loosing team should never be rated higher than a team that beat them. Seems reasonable. Ohio State lost to Ilinois, Illinois lost to Iowa, Mich, Mizz. Doesnt seem so reasonable once the implications are exposed. "never rated higher" could be qualified to be more reasonable, ie, "never rated higher with same or fewer losses". Seems more reasonable. Then strength of schedule would need to be considered -- to be fair. And that, "to be fair", would require qualifications that could fill volumns. Designing can easily get out of hand with unintended results, etc. It can be done; tweaking is endless, requires patience and dedication. But programs are unbiased and human polls certainly could use a dash of that...so...why not have both? Thus the BCS! Sure its rarely right and obviously wrong at times but welcome to the 'ol human race. Besides its fun sussing the mess; playoffs are dull by comparison! Blaming computers is silly. Computers just execute programs. Program designers are the culprits; they have a tough job though; they have to distill into programmable expressions common sense. For instance, common sense would say a loosing team should never be rated higher than a team that beat them. Seems reasonable.

Ohio State lost to Ilinois, Illinois lost to Iowa, Mich, Mizz. Doesnt seem so reasonable once the implications are exposed. “never rated higher” could be qualified to be more reasonable, ie, “never rated higher with same or fewer losses”. Seems more reasonable.

Then strength of schedule would need to be considered — to be fair. And that, “to be fair”, would require qualifications that could fill volumns. Designing can easily get out of hand with unintended results, etc.

It can be done; tweaking is endless, requires patience and dedication.

But programs are unbiased and human polls certainly could use a dash of that…so…why not have both? Thus the BCS! Sure its rarely right and obviously wrong at times but welcome to the ‘ol human race. Besides its fun sussing the mess; playoffs are dull by comparison!

]]> By: Isaac in Norman http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-899 Isaac in Norman Tue, 04 Dec 2007 03:44:55 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/#comment-899 I wasn't the source that Barry referenced, but I did send him an email or two about the cpu rankings. Pick and choose for the second spot in the championship game- I won't argue that. My problem, though, is that not only Mizzou was above us, but that KU was also. So, the arguments about MU having a tougher schedule, well- whatever. But did KU? I wasn’t the source that Barry referenced, but I did send him an email or two about the cpu rankings. Pick and choose for the second spot in the championship game- I won’t argue that. My problem, though, is that not only Mizzou was above us, but that KU was also. So, the arguments about MU having a tougher schedule, well- whatever. But did KU?

]]> By: AlaskanSooner http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-898 AlaskanSooner Tue, 04 Dec 2007 00:26:36 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/#comment-898 computers agree with Bobby Bowden's ballot, he has Missouri 6 and OU 10. computers agree with Bobby Bowden’s ballot, he has Missouri 6 and OU 10.

]]> By: scarab1 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-894 scarab1 Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:42:09 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/#comment-894 This is exactly why the BCS is BS, a true farce. The computer says is not an answer. Any programmer worth his pay can write a program to produce any, I mean any result they want. I am very surprised that more ComSci folks have not vented their outrage over the computer rankings. Computers crunch numbers, crunched numbers are statistics, you can make any set of statistics produce any result you want. That of course never makes them true or fact. It has been said, 'there are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics". Instead of a playoff maybe we should toss the current computer programs in the crapper and have some more truthful like systems developed and have the input of the numbers crunched more real. This is exactly why the BCS is BS, a true farce. The computer says is not an answer. Any programmer worth his pay can write a program to produce any, I mean any result they want. I am very surprised that more ComSci folks have not vented their outrage over the computer rankings. Computers crunch numbers, crunched numbers are statistics, you can make any set of statistics produce any result you want. That of course never makes them true or fact. It has been said, ‘there are lies, damned lies, and then there are statistics”. Instead of a playoff maybe we should toss the current computer programs in the crapper and have some more truthful like systems developed and have the input of the numbers crunched more real.

]]> By: texas tech fan http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-893 texas tech fan Mon, 03 Dec 2007 22:19:04 +0000 http://blog.newsok.com/berrytramel/2007/12/03/ou-mizzou-arguing-with-logic/#comment-893 I wouldn't call Texas Tech "mediocre" there buddy!!!!!! I wouldn’t call Texas Tech “mediocre” there buddy!!!!!!

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